I saw that happen, I stayed because it was my GL. The guild dissolved within a month as he started pulling that garbage with guildies. It was really stinky how he treated people. I would be ok with ML with 100% guild members only. Or some system that anyone that opts out get pl. I have the feeling that whatever system they put in place, wont be pl and wont be ml, but something that only blizz will like.
It’s part of the reason why I can’t get behind the anti ML arguments is because Blizzard just got lazy. I HATE that I’m bringing up this game BUUUUUUT, there’s multiple reasons why you don’t see this level of toxicity in FFXIV. And one of them being the CS team does not put up with that BS and will happily toss you in jail. Even though there’s LFG pretty much all over the game, their moderation makes sure that that type of behavior is not welcomed in their game.
You wanna know when Blizzard gets involved? Putting aside personal views on how toxic it was, you see how quick they were to fix the /spit issue when it was directly targeted to their whales? As a company, that’s all that Blizzard cares about these days. Money.
For you.
For me and mine it is exactly what we want. You and I want different things and that is OK. What is not OK is that we are both forced to use the same loot system when we have different goals.
How would you feel if everyone was forced to use ml, or need before greed or free for all or any of the other loot systems that have existed, and there were no PL option? That is the same way I feel but I’m reverse. I want both to be option so we can both get what we want. You want to have your option and ban mine.
It’s why I have no interest in Dragonflight. Because I personally feel it’s not coming from a company who wants to put out a good product but a response to attempt to save their losses and whisper sweet nothings into players ears.
Ion did a great job pitting the players against one another instead of actually addressing the issue when it came to loot distribution by painting a picture about the poor trial who didn’t get loot. When instead the actual issue is Blizzards lack of CS in actually looking into the issues and coming to a conclusion on which party is correct.
The WoW population has showcased a TON of toxicity. But just like the issues that were going on in their offices, Blizzard couldn’t give a rats behind about doing good for the players and their own employees.
I can understand the total lack of interest… WOW has now back to back TERRIBLE expansions. They’ve given us D3, which was mediocre at best. OW2 is basically a single player DLC with a few changes on multiplayer. They’re now going into the mobile side of gaming, which I don’t feel the majority of players want… but the mobile market is rich. I don’t trust blizzard, but what they’re showing on paper looks good, while I’m interested… I have low expectations.
Also the population toxicity… I don’t get bothered by, probably because it’s what I grew up knowing nothing but those communities. D2, WC3, SC were all insanely toxic communities, when it was the norm. Then Halo 2, Cod4… same thing, angry kids telling how they did things with my mother and such. With that all being said though, I do enjoy a quiet, friendly community… because people’s constant hostility gets old. Granted I dish out toxicity from time to time, but USUALLY it’s against people who are acting like fools or people being willfully ignorant.
I’m not going to get into the ML/PL discussion with you… pretty sure everyone knows where I stand at this point anyway. Lol.
I mean I believe we’ve had our ML/PL discussion and it ending with PLNR being a method that would be better than what the game has now.
But that aside I’ve had my fair share of toxicity as well. I’ve built such thick skin from negative interactions back to back that it feels like it’s almost impossible to get me riled up anymore. I got that rowdiness out of my system and just don’t have any interest in going back. Wasn’t healthy for me or the people around me.
At this point the only thing that’s reeling me back in is I have a group of people who really want me to play Wrath as a final hurrah before officially putting the game down for good. And the only reason I have a sub now is because someone has commissioned me to do a landscape of Bastion for them and I wanted to personally take screenshots as reference photos.
I’ll play the game probably as long as my closest friends do… I still enjoy it from time to time, but PVP is putrid. Feral druid has one comp and I don’t know any hunters… so I play with a shaman, spriest or another feral. PVE the story being so pitiful makes me not really want to raid… so it’s kind of a rock and a hard place.
I used to be ridiculous. A lot of people love to attack me due to my views, but it’s usually pure amusement for me, I’ll mess with them back and try to have a discussion but once they become annoying, due to not answering repeated questions or being willfully ignorant. I throw them on block. I don’t have the will to keep arguing most times… but there are times where I still revert back to being… ridiculous.
This why on Monday’s and Tuesday’s… when I’m off work, I’m chill AF because I’m home and I’m medicated.
Not gonna lie, It is fun from time to time jumping back and being over the top. I try my best to not go back there and me blocking them is my way of avoiding that. Lol.
I was in a similar rut when I ran a WPvP guild on our realm that had tons of PvP activity. And when they obliterated the PvP scene with their changes in Legion we swapped over to raiding and lost a lot of people. And like I stated earlier when we finally got ourselves together the changes in BFA made us feel like we were put into a corner and after all my friends packed up, I did the same.
My rowdiness came from our server politics since I was a GM of a well established guild. So when moments like me dying or our guild wiping in WPvP players would flood the forums and start trash talking. At the time it created fun rivalries between players and guilds but there was a plethora of times where it got out of control.
Like in my case (which just stating for the record isn’t me trying to create a pity party for myself) when people found out my ethnicity, they weaponized it against me to try and get a rise out of me. The type of treatment I got could be seen here in this vid.
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I had to essentially have thick skin because as a GM I didn’t want to be reactionary and feed right into what people wanted. Which was for the most part, a response. Just to put things into perspective of the craziness, just watch I’d say the first minute or two to see just 1 of a HEAP of craziness that went on in ye olden days of ED.
I’m the same though. If it’s time to throw down I have no issue with getting into a scrap. But now I try to promote a much more positive energy and try to build people up rather than tear them down.
