No instant boosts!

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Rizzx-herod

they play classic because it’s a game that actually takes time and skill to get to 60

HAHAHA no it doesn’t

@Rizzx-herod

raid and get all that gear

This is separate and apart from leveling and isn’t changing in TBC.

@Rizzx-herod

This is CLASSIC this isn’t retail

Which means we get a mix of Retail and the original game. Enjoy your stay!

[Slicy-anathema]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

The reason its a bad idea is because it makes it WAY too easy for botters to setup LEGIONS of bots…

Anyone wanna tell him?

Ok I will. They already have legions of bots

[Blackheart-myzrael]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

The reason its a bad idea is because it makes it WAY too easy for botters to setup LEGIONS of bots…

This is the most common and worst anit-boosting argument out there and it has been debunked by many people in many different ways.

IMO, the best reason it is an idiotic argument is because most botters arent’ idiots. Bots are automated leveling/farming devices.

Why would a botter pay $60 dollars to get one character/bot per account on only one Realm for only one faction? $15 will get them 50 character/bots per account. They will level themselves by each running 24/7 sequentially. Giving the botter bots on both factions and on multiple servers for $15 instead of $60.

[Roodjay-bigglesworth]

theres gonna be a lot more now. you think i dont know the current situation about bots? cmon now… sound like a real mcAhole lol. to give a small amount of people a boost that they dont really care about?? who are these imaginary people who want to play TBC that didnt play classic already? its a joke and you’re being on the contrary for no reason. easy to see.

[Slicy-anathema]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

sound like a real mcAhole

Idk I thought you sounded nice.

I don’t think the bots will use it if it’s expensive. I think they’ll use their free legion of bots to level themselves since they’re free

Also a hard sell to tell me boosts are bad because of bots when bots run rampant in the game when it has no boosts

[Luckey-mankrik]

@Slicy-anathema

Anyone wanna tell him?

Just another MadSeason Video lemming walking off the ledge, why bother…

[Roodjay-bigglesworth]

i was just joking about the mcAhole part, its a movie quote lol… im no really trippen about this that much, i just wanted to point out some stuff

[Roodjay-bigglesworth]

not everyone cares that much my man, im just hear to be a voice of reason to people who dont want to take all things into consideration, i will gladly change my stance on boosts if someone could convince me. im an open minded person! please inform me why boosts are a good idea!

[Zinqf-herod]

@Rizzx-herod

People don’t want the level boost because they play classic because it’s a game that actually takes time and skill to get to 60 and raid and get all that gear leveling is a vital part of WoW. Getting to 39 and getting all that SM gear, its about the journey along the way to 60 that makes your character special because YOU put in the time. Meeting all the friends along the way, making a guild and raiding with them. Now that will all be gone and we will have people who don’t even know the basics of their class raiding and doing arenas. Also more and more bots they don’t care about making more accounts they have the money for it which will inflate the market to insane amounts making it harder for raiders to get consume’s. This is CLASSIC this isn’t retail, don’t call it “Classic TBC” when it isn’t. Their weren’t level boosts in TBC back then and there shouldn’t be now and if you think otherwise you are just deluded. Blizzard just wants your money after buying the game/expansion AND a sub that’s all it comes down to and you defend it, shameful. Shame on the classic dev’s to move from your roots and allow something like this when TBC did NOT have level boosts. I had faith the war was won classic was perfect but now this. I actually was surprised this happened believe it or not.

Your boosted animal characters are going to be easy to spot and I’ll gank every one I see. There’s a hit out on any level 58s in hellfire.

I’m sure there will be some boosted 58 mages that’ll be boosting people to 70 while they are boosting themselves to 70.

Meanwhile undead rogues just giving themselves more moralized excuses to attack lowbies in the open world.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

you think its bad now lol just wait

We’ll see.

[Luckey-mankrik]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

i will gladly change my stance on boosts if someone could convince me.

Well let’s address this:

1. As already pointed out, botters already have legions of bots.
2. It has been shown that the financials of paying for a boost to bot is not worth the money, because, for the same money you spend on a boost, you could buy 4 additional accounts and make 4x the gold overall.
3. Classic already has the bot problem, and it has no boosts.
4. The boost has already drawn in new people to the forums, who said they will be playing because of the boost, so it is already serving its purpose.
5. Botters are a business and already have 10s or 100s of dormant accounts they have already leveled to 60, in the event of a ban wave.
6. With the XP changes to TBC, a botter can have a character from 1-60 in ~2 days.
7. Unless Blizzard intends to ban all the bots right before TBC launch, they will already be 60 and do not need a boost in the first place.
8. The gold sellers are sitting on a massive surplus of gold they cannot get rid of. Why would they even need to buy boosts or run more bots in the first place?

[Roodjay-bigglesworth]

alright lets do this,

1. ok fine ill let my stance go and say there is already an infinite amount of bots in classic.

2. were assuming we know the price of a boost.

3. So are we just giving up then? let the bots run wild because they already are?

4. there is little to no proof on how MANY players will be joining classic TBC for the first time. i would agree there is some, but we dont know how many.

5. nothing really to say about this, it could be a much larger number. which i dont wanna see.

6. SO theres no stopping them anyways? sounds grim.

7. we know there not gonna run any ban waves as long as this many people are still buying gold regularly.

8. you said yourself that its a business for these people. you really think they are gonna stop at 5? or 10 or 100? they will go until there is no one left to sell to. in which case the game will be dead at that point and they will move to a more profitable game. these people are greedy and have a lot of competition to deal with… google gold sellers, you will see A LOT of different websites.

At the end of the day i could be swayed to say boost are ok, but it would be easy for me to dig up more reasons than just bots to say no to boosts. the elitist stance is that these people didnt put their time in like we all had to 1-60… then someone says “well hes just gonna buy a boost anyways from a mage…” So you know, again at the end of the day we have to draw a line and say im not crossing that line because it goes against the things i believe makes a successful MMORPG. we all love WoW lets hope for the best and have some fun… if we can lol

[Nobleshield-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Cauchy-heartseeker

Once? Try a dozen or more times.

Yeah exactly. It’s boring after the first time. After that it’s extra boring

[Karix-windseeker]

@Rizzx-herod

People don’t want the level boost because they play classic because it’s a game that actually takes time and skill to get to 60

You may be 100% correct for people that play Classic (Vanilla). But the boost is NOT for those people. The boost is for new players that did NOT play Classic Vanilla, and do not WANT to play Classic Vanilla. But they do want to play Classic BC.

Blizzard started the boost in 2014. It is part of every new expansion. It adds tens of thousands of new players, who did NOT play the previous part.

So in TBC, it will add tens of thousands of players who do NOT play Classic Vanilla. That is it’s purpose. If you don’t like new players, you are outvoted. Blizzard likes them.

[Zinqf-herod]

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

At the end of the day i could be swayed to say boost are ok, but it would be easy for me to dig up more reasons than just bots to say no to boosts.

There are a lot of reasons people can have to not like boosts. Bots are not one of them. The people making this argument regarding bots are not informed on how they work and the endless reasons why boosts are not a helpful thing for botters.

[Astandrelyne-trollbane]

You won’t see many 58’s in hellfire. Considering the boost is going live with the pre patch. Most boosters will all ready be 60.

[Mursh-blackwing-lair (Mursh)]

People are talking about instant lvl 70 boosts now as if they are going to be added
in TBC Classic. The reason why it is being talked about is because somebody
data mined the templates in the beta. I was saying beta testing PVP at level cap
is why those templates are there.

[Gorrith-incendius]

@Slicy-anathema

be a higher level than you though mr 53

@Rorshak-incendius

Says the level 53 rogue lol. Oh no I’m shaking in my boots

Not if he boosts!! watch out! lol…

@Roodjay-bigglesworth

setup LEGIONS of bots

Legitimately, one of my serious concerns with boosting - even as a pro-booster.

@Blackheart-myzrael

Why would a botter pay $60 dollars to get one character/bot per account on only one Realm for only one faction? $15 will get them 50 character/bots per account. They will level themselves by each running 24/7 sequentially. Giving the botter bots on both factions and on multiple servers for $15 instead of $60.

No intelligent bot / gold selling company runs a bot 24/7… they have so many toons that they run them for a few hours - up to 6 at a time, then swap characters to avoid being auto-detected for being online for more than 12 hours at a time (or was it 16 for the auto detection? I dunno, point remains)

Why would they pay? because not all bots work together. There are dozens, if not more websites and botting and RMT is one of the msot competitive industries. They work AGAINST each other as well… To think any group of them is going to give up a competitive edge is a little asinine.

Sure you can have 5 more accounts if the boost is 60 bucks, but to think 60 bucks is somehow a difficult investment for a bot is silly… To think they would rather NOT boost in order to have more accounts going is a consumer mindset and not a business mindset that weighs the “drop in the bucket” of extra over-head cost versus the profits gained. The math has already been fleshed out. Agree with it, or not - the only difference her is cosumer mindset vs business-practical mindset.

finally, what a lot of people ignore or simply dont realize is many bot accounts have already botted long enough on retail to earn themselves a wow token… they play/bot in classic for FREE…
These same wow tokens can be exchanged for battle.net currency. So yes, the bots can boost for FREE aswell… sorry to pop any bubbles…

To think “why would a bot throw gold away at a boost” is also a silly notion - imaging thinking they do not have such a large cache of gold stowed away that they cannot very easily do this?

I am not saying every bot will boost, some may only do it defensively to instantly replenish any of their numbers lost due to blizzard ban waves (as rare as they may be)… But they can do so for “free” and the benefit far outweighs the cost - even when you do not take the free boost unto consideration.

[Norsë-kromcrush]

@Rizzx-herod

People don’t want the level boost because they play classic because it’s a game that actually takes time and skill to get to 60

Wherever are they going to learn the SKILL that is spamming Shadowbolt?! HOW WILL NEW HUTNERS KNOW HOW TO PRESS A 1 BUTTON MACRO?! The humanity! They only have from 58-70 to figure out this super challenging aspect of the game! My resto shaman brothers will have next to no time to figure out how to spam chain heal, forget elemental! There is too much nuance in spamming lightning bolt. No time for them to learn!

[Roodjay-bigglesworth]

Tried explaining what i could, but this gives a bit more details about how the botters work. its a business for them, they have many tricks and ways to make botting very profitable. and if anyone thinks the Boost will not benefit them you are gravely mistaken.