Yes. Maybe they play a part in the prepatch. If not they are there for “reasons”.
Sobs in corner Blizzard stop the knifes already in my guy, there is no need to twist it and make me suffer more.
What did we do to deserve this.
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Baine and Thrall got swallowed up into the Shadowlands.
Which, honestly, makes Lor’themar the ‘senior’ of Horde leadership, so I’m not surprised he’s the one talking on behalf of the Horde here.
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But I hate him.
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Can’t help you there. I think Lor’themar is one of the best Horde leaders, so I think he’s the right choice in absence of Thrall and Baine.
I am surprised Talanji isn’t there though.
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No one should trust an elf.
I don’t see why him being an elf or not matters. That just seems shallow to judge a character for.
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They did allow for a civilization to end up on the bottom of the ocean.
So balance, the horde have nothing to do with the void or light, you guys need characters so when the light void war comes, you guys arent left out
Hehe this little comment made me giggle a bit
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What’s going on with her and the Horde?
NGL it feels pretty weird/ annoying that we’re changing leaders or those who lead the Horde so frequently and soon.
Is it wrong that I just want something stable and for the boat to not shake so often.
Think it might of been better to keep Baine at home so we can see if time as leader truly brings good changes while we’re away.
Unless this kidnapping by blizzard is a way to harden Baine.
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Nah that’s when they hit Lor’themar, Rommath, Liadrin, and Halduron with the villain bat. The light in the sunwell corrupted them. This way they can replace them with Varessa and Alleria.
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Did Valeera actually do that? She can’t be that stupid.
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There’s no reason not to have Calia lead the Forsaken and it’s a pretty flimsy argument to say otherwise.
The Forsaken have never been in a place to deny new recruits. In Silverpine and the Plaguelands, pro-Alliance humans were slain and converted into Forsaken recruits in the space of a few moments. If five seconds is the minimum amount of time one has to be undead to be considered a member of the Forsaken, why is the case different for Calia?
She likely has the experience. Princess to a sovereign nation is going to be educated in statescraft. Even if you made the point that she completely left that all behind to be with her husband and child in south shore, she clearly had some kind of important role within Alonsus Faol’s group.
EDIT: I’ve since been reminded that Calia herself admits to a lack of educating in statescraft. That said, by virtue of being a royal with the expectation to be married off as a Queen, she’s still likely more knowledgeable about leadership and the expectations of a monarch than most of the civilian population of Lordaeron. An inexperienced Princess is going to have incidental knowledge of leading a nation and be a better candidate than most for that reason alone.
Except we saw the opposite in Legion. Stromic Forsaken occupying Stromgarde organized themselves under Prince Galen Trollsbane, and even wore the colors and heraldry of their former nation. While Galen’s no longer a relevant player and Stromgarde belongs to the Alliance now, it still at least proves that the Forsaken, in part, are willing to adopt their former nationalities, even in undeath. It absolutely supports the idea that the Forsaken care about Lordaeron as more than a region, but a nationality.
I sympathize with this point, I really do. I would have prefered Natalie Saline as a proper Forsaken, considering she’s the founder of the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow. And I still want her to be around.
On the other hand, players have more or less accepted that there’s a presence of the LIght within the Forsaken, since it’s been canon for a very long time that even the Forsaken can call upon the Light with sufficient conviction.
It’s not my favorite direction for the Forsaken as a race, but it’s canon that these elements exist.
It’s also worth pointing out that even Sylvanas Windrunner was not like her followers. It’s a minor point, but a nation of undead humans was being lead by an undead elf.
It’s almost as if being undead was the only commonality that was important.
Calia hasn’t been a member of the Alliance since the Second War-era Alliance of Lordaeron became defunct after Arthas returned to King Terenas II. The new-era Alliance consisting of the Night Elves and Draenei is not the same as the one she was once a part of, and she’s been vehemently neutral since working with Faol.
Speaking of, you’d have to argue that Faol is a Horde character simply because he’s undead, and that’s not a strong angle to take.
Calia’s only misstep regarding her proximity to the Alliance is the presumption that she could rely on them to harbor the Forsaken defectors from the Gathering. That would undoubtedly have entangled her with the Alliance.
It would have forced Anduin to make a decision to accept her and the refugees, tacitly supporting her bid for Lordaeron, or deny them and doubtlessly doom them to Sylvanas’ pursuits.
That’s an outcome we never saw play out because Calia died right then and there, along with her defectors.
That’s going to be a bridge to cross when we get there. But frankly, there’s no minimum amount of time or experience you need to become a Forsaken. You simply need to come to terms with the fact that you have died and are now undead, and there’s no going back.
Derek’s in the same boat, for what it’s worth. The Alliance he died under is not the one he was risen under, and the Night Elves and Draenei and Pandaren are probably just as strange to him as being undead is. I’m not convinced we’ve seen the end of his development, but I wouldn’t mind if he quietly faded into the background.
Forsaken Night Elves will make the Night Elf players mad, but I’m not sure anything less than a retcon of the burning of Teldrassil would satisfy at this point.
All in all, it’s not clear to me that there’s a good reason to be resistant to Calia’s potential leadership. As far we know, Danuser said that wasn’t the intention, but Blizzard also said that blue eyes weren’t coming to the Blood Elves and Allied Races weren’t getting customizations, so who even knows at this point.
I, for one, embrace a leader who is Menethil. I wanted Ghost-King Terenas but I’ll accept his daughter if I can’t have that.
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It is surely a sign of strange times when I pray that the villain bat comes back for “Horde” characters.
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Calia is specifically stated not to be educated in statesmanship. She was going to be married off to the king of Arathi. She even proves this by her actions in BTS, and even mentions herself, that she is not a statesperson.
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I do remember this now that you brought it up. I remember thinking it wasn’t the strongest case then, either.
Deliberately educated or not, she’s got more exposure to statescraft by the virtue of being Terenas’ daughter and Arthas’ sister than most ever will. Even if she was just going to be married off, she’s going to be educated in the expectations and duties of a Queen. Interpret those things however you like.
It also doesn’t discount her prominent role at the Netherlight Temple as Faol’s second.
We have a bunch of Alliance making this claim already.
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Calia just makes sense as Forsaken leader. Props to Blizzard if they actually go through it and don’t allow the edgelords to bully them into submission.
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