In fact, Aethas seems to have an expectation that there should be some sort of due process during the Purge. When Jaina confronts him, his first response is that “We are citizens too…”, but he doesn’t get very far before she kidnaps him and continues on her murderous spree.
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Did not know Dalaran had already broken its neutrality since I admitted to never readin’ a book I had zero interest in. Good to know.
Oh, Dalaran is still allegedly neutral when Jaina does all this. It is only after the Purge that she declares fealty to the Alliance and officially joins the war against the Horde.
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So Blizzard write’s Dalaran’s “neutrality” the same way they write the Horde’s “honor”… it’s true only when the writer has a Diet Coke instead of Iced Tea for lunch
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Jaina claimed neutrality, but that was, as Rommath commented, a farce. Dalaran already had troops fighting for the Alliance.
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Incorrect. She was the Leading head of the City, which basically means she WAS THE LAW. She was actually MORE powerful then a cop.
Just going to ignore the video now?
The only thing you’re correct about is that Police have procedures in which they follow. But, like you said, Jaina wasn’t the Police. She had the complete authority to arrest whoever she damn well pleased, and the only people she had to hold her accountable when the Council of Six and the ACTUAL Citizens of Dalaran.
Funny that no one else in Dalaran took issue with her actions.
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But wasn’t the Point of the Post I was responding to.
That’s highly presumptive headcanon. (Also the same kind of flawed reasoning Trump seems to employ when he talks about his position.) Being a leader does not inherently confer absolute authority in a government.
Again, headcanon.
Headcanon on my part, they probably didn’t want to be killed in the streets, assets seized, and indefinitely imprisoned for years.
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OTOH, it is the point of the thread and thus worth pointing out.
Due process as a general application is a fairly modern concept.
True.
But almost all of these “is this side good or evil” threads are based on fairly modern concepts. In ancient morality almost nobody in either faction has done anything wrong. You can make a strong case that the Romans would have characterized Teldrassil as a “great victory”.
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As I posted above, she’s only accountable to the Six and her Citizens. No one else.
If they take issue with her Methods, she can answer to them. But that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have the Authority to do what she did.
As I’ve also said, you haven’t really given lore to back that claim. You’ve merely insisted it.
Um, that’s literally how Governments work.
Which is why framing this narrative in terms of modern parochial American values is something I always thought of as silly.
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You don’t understand the premise of this thread, do you?
Please show me the armed guards either preventing or attempting to prevent the arrest. All you can show are guards who change their posture when she enters,. They do not attack, and she successfully “arrests” Aethas.
Again, you seem unclear on the premise of this thread. But you were the one who raised the police analogy while claiming that I do not understand the law. I was simply pointing out that your assumptions about police powers are incorrect.
LOTS of people in Dalaran took exception her actions: specifically the entire Blood Elf population who were, in fact, citizens of Dalaran. Many of them citizens for far longer than most of the other inhabitants, and certainly far longer than Jaina! Also, with Khadgar’s return the council overturned Jaina’s ruling, causing her to quit in anger. So apparently they had a problem with it, as well.
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The term “due process” is fairly modern, but I assure you that the concept behind it is not. Every civilization that has laws has some rules about how those laws should be applied, and an expectation that they should be applied with consistency.
Edit: and a quick google shows that the term itself is not so modern, dating back to the Magna Carta in 1215 and subsequent legal codification of its implications.
Further edit: that’s in the English language and in Common Law, with its descendants. Virtually every other legal system appears to have a similar concept, at least in theory if not in practice (e.g. despotic regimes often only pay lip service to due process).
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The rights of the accused however have varied tremendously both in dejure, and defacto. There’s always a tension between the Rule of Law and the Rule of the Mob.
Okay, and the premise of this thread is about due process in WoW.
And, as I already pointed out, Aethas’ immediate response to Jaina is to start invoking some sort of due process: “This is OUR city too, Proudmoore!”
Do you want to address the substance of my argument, which is that if there is any kind of expectation of due process, then Jaina clearly commits multiple murders in the “Purge of Dalaran”?
The only possible counterargument is that she is a despot ruling by fiat. Which, by definition, renders due process moot. But also pretty unequivocally makes her the villain of that encounter, as a despotic killer of her own people.
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I will in in responding to your second paragraph
Most rulership in this universe is by fiat. Whether ti’s a WarChief, the Prophet of the Draenei, The HIgh Priestess of the Night Elves and Malfurion, or the royal line governing Stormwind and Lordaeron, all of them are pretty much despotic rules, or an autocracy that’s checked by an ogliarchy. Pretty much the only exception was Gnomeragon which was a meritocracy, but once elected you still had an autocratic ruler.
The Alliance is not going to allow Dalaran or the Horde to prosecute Jaina and that’s essentially that.