While this is technically true, in practice, dual spec allows me to be a tank or a dps at the drop of a hat. Which is all a warrior can be. Conversational language is imprecise. I think your interpretation is less likely than his directing those comments at dual spec generally.
I’m certain that he only referred to diablo as an example and was at no point commenting on design changes in that game.
Like I said he’s conflating dual spec with other systems, he specifically describes how being able to change anything about your spec completely fluidly is what he had an issue with.
I just had a warlock who could be whatever he wanted to be at any moment in time depending on the immediate needs of a boss fight or how much I wanted to PvP. Diablo 2 made you commit to your talent trees, and there was something kind of cool about that compared to the unparalleled flexibility of Diablo 3.
That is how retail specs work or D3 works but it does not describe how dual spec worked. He also goes on to acknowledge that this is entirely subjective and not everyone is going to care the same amount about being locked into a spec.
It also shows that this is not an all or nothing, looking at the spectrum he mentions from D2(completely locked in) to D3(completely free form) WoW was already somewhere in between in vanilla.
Yeah, I don’t believe he is conflating the two. I think he’s somewhat generalizing, but fully aware of the implications he’s making. When he says, “I just had a warlock who could be whatever he wanted to be”…I believe he knows full well the restrictions of two concrete specs, and drawing parallels between the D2/D3 contrast, and that of Pre-DS/DS.
He’s speaking conversationally, not contractually. We can only guess at what he meant, but I’ll wager he wasn’t conflating anything.
He specifically mentions the downside of dual spec:
I definitely think it made each of our individual characters (not the classes, but the characters themselves) less unique. No longer did I have a Demonology warlock with (for better or worse) max ranks in Demonic Knowledge and Master Conjurer . I just had a warlock who could be whatever he wanted to be at any moment in time depending on the immediate needs of a boss fight or how much I wanted to PvP.
stop flailing about and just admit you lost.
What part of no one wanted boosts, store mounts or any of the other crap that they have already implemented.
Where was the community poll about a store mount that scaled with your riding level? Where was the community poll about boosts? Where was any of this?
NO ONE wanted that. Period. They wanted a cash grab and they got it. I’m so sick and tired of people using the “well we already have changed that weren’t in OG TBC” huk huk huk… no dip sherlock… we already know that this isn’t the game we played back then, but the point of a CLASSIC REMAKE is to play the game AS IT WAS.
Seriously, stop with the comparing apples to oranges. No one wanted level boosts.
I hate these forums and their ridiculous gatekeeping of being able to post…
@Ziryus
They also didn’t add respec’s into D2 until 2009. 9 years after the game came out and even then it was because they wanted to test the respec option of Diablo 3. So it wasn’t even an original feature, it required a completely different set of devs to go back and change the game from what it was. This change came to the game well after WotLK had already come out.
“Diablo 2 eventually added limited respecs, but not until 2009 when the original developers were long gone and the Diablo 3 devs authored respecs in Diablo 2 partially as a test bed for their planned Diablo 3 respec option.”
ah but see, because you aren’t spending literally all your free time crusading against boosts and store mount and demanding their removal, you have NO right to say we can’t have dual spec.
(yes, this is seriously what they believe)
Dude Kuma is weird and one of those people who wants to sound intellectual when in reality they are the epitome of the “Well Awkshullay…” type of person that everyone can’t stand at FNM or the tabletop games and literally sucks the fun out of everything.
You can’t see people’s armory from vanilla, so unless they went and looked them up on raid logs or whatever, they either know that person or are that person.
Basically Drizzt Do’Urden of sorts. Gets no credit for anything he does.
Like, the fact you’re readily dismissing a guy who gathered a Full T3 and an Ashbringer…says a lot about what you really think about people in your community. All I have to say.
Literally fanboying over someone else’s gear as if that makes them an authority figure on the game. No it just means they raided naxx over and over again or they got gear funneled to them. Full T3 AND corrupted Ashbringer as a paladin.
Bottom line, just because they had gear funneled to them, doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about Kuma 
Cool, worry yourself silly over it if it makes you happy. We aren’t changing our avatars to suit you.
If you didn’t take me seriously why even answer. Maybe just to get in a quickie insult perhaps. Yea, that sure bolsters your uncaring.
We’ll, I’m obviously subbed, seems like an investment to me.
You and Feywaif are the only ones fussing over forum avatars here. Pointing that out is not picking a fight. Stuff like calling someone a clown might be perceived as such though.
This post just obliterated the OP
Pretty sure all the people talking about people posting on alt characters and calling people dishonest and liars is just Kuma on their alts.
Like how else do they know that the paladin up there had full T3 and Ashbringer and that gives them the authority to lord over everyone else and that their opinion matters more than ours.
Dual spec didn’t cause this.
LFR, LFD, lack of community and other changes did.
Why is this hard to grasp?
Actually no it doesn’t. GC himself even regretted it later on. Please try again
Are you really trying to make the case that dual spec, allowing more players more access to more content without mindless gold farming led to a decline in subs?
Absolutely ridiculous
Dual spec doesn’t allow more players more access to more content, it won’t help with the shortage of tanks/healers who don’t want to pug the game either because of bad players who don’t listen.
The tank and the healer dictate the pace of the dungeon, not you the DPS. That’s why tanks and healers don’t pug anymore because they found guilds who they know will listen to the pulls/tanks request.
DS is not needed in this game. It’s easy enough to farm gold as it is.
I would disagree. There is no class identity problem because i play combat in raid and sub in battlegrounds or arena.
It genuinely removes my desire to participate in certain parts of the game based on my current spec, because pvp as combat is terrible and pve as sub is horrid.
That’s it’s purpose.
If you don’t care enough to pay the measly cost, then you won’t pay it, and you won’t be in a BG/Arena as the right spec, or raiding as the right spec.
That’s…the point of it. It’s a barrier for entry that highlights the effort you’re willing to put in to the game to get what you want out of it.
Okay then that’s a class balance issue and not a reason for dual spec. Also that’s a you problem. I can farm just as well on my tank warrior as I can with any other class I have. Maybe I’m not as fast as a mage or a warlock/hunter but I can still farm for mats, consumes and gold.
Your logic because pvp as combat is bad and pve as sub is horrid is no excuse. That’s a balance issue, not a reason to add dual spec to the game.
You want to put no thought into the game or play the game as it was, you just want easy mode dual spec so you can set it and forget about it. Just goes to show you won’t put effort into the game.
This doesn’t “obliterate” the OP because it’s a comment taken from when it was implemented which, obviously at the time it was implemented, they thought it should be during Wrath.
Both before and after Wrath, the relevant devs close to the game actually expressed unfavorable views in regards to it.
That’s one of the dumbest things you could possibly do in a video game
There are a lot of other games you can play. I personally like it. Please don’t rally for changes without considering the effect it has on those of us who like how things are, especially when the devs have specifically stated that dual spec is not in the design ethos of TBC.
My definition of putting effort into the game doesn’t include mindless hours of gold farming just to pvp and pve
Ok, there are games that your sub covers that meet your expectations.