People 3 manned ony before BC.
Also, people AOE pulled dungeons when they had gear, and tried funny stuff like zero tank speed runs. People are just upset because they didn’t know about these things.
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Yeah a lot of people seem to be forgetting classic was abandoned due to TBC.
Its like everyone has buyers remorse or something. Its like saying C’Thun was hard… no it was mathematically impossible, that doesnt make it hard, it makes the emcounter/game broken… total Noahs Arcade where people keeping pumpin quarters into the game that can never be beaten.
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They used videos made from that time I believe.
If you had been paying attention on this forum they actually answered this issue a few months ago.
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Yes, that is how hard they were in vanilla. So if you are killing one your own level without one they are easier than they were in vanilla. I never seen one person kill and elite their own level pre MC gear in 2.5 years so yes. I had full Rank 10 PvP gear and couldn’t kill one my own level on my warrior.
Some good anecdotal evidence. Thanks.
What would make the evidence fool proof is using a camera to take a shot of the “date last modified” server files they found.
Prove it was common then, because it was not. Saw a lvl 60 mage with full epic gear kill a lvl 60 elite once, and I know warlocks could do it because there have been multiple threads saying locks were the only class that could do it over the years. So prove people were killing Elites their own level with greens and blues on.
On the contrary, I think retail was exactly Classics audience. And it’s sad.
I killed lvl 60 elites as a shaman in dungeon gear
I’m expecting you won’t read this, but I believe private servers are inaccurate. I played a lot in vanilla and in bc - when I tried private servers everything felt not at all what I remembered. By 1.12, me and my two rl friends were three manning sm cath with the rogue tanking. This was a reality. Zf on classic actually seems HARDER than I remember because I remember by 1.12 I was killing packs of mobs as a rogue in a few seconds without any issues. Whether mobs got nerfed to the ground by 1.12 or we got better it’s hard to say, but in 1.12 vanilla mc and dungeons were as easily farmed as they are now. In 2004 this isn’t the case but in 2006 it definetly was.
We didn’t have shaman, was alliance. Though If you can kite them around with frost shock for ever and grounding totem I guess it would be possible, but also why shaman were considered the most OP class in the game after the rogue nerf.
I did kill and Elite my own level in TBC with my Alliance shaman though in the burning steps.
killing same level elites has never been difficult depending on the class and elite in question.
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Elites aren’t nerfed for patch 1.12, there has been a lot of discussion and Blizzard showed screenshots of their testing.
The exp in raid was a bug and fixed. It is all how it should be, it really isn’t faster than questing, some people just prefer it.
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I can remember on my Hunter while leveling(which was very early Vanilla, before talent revamps were a thing) soloing elites in Stockades and Gnomer in my 20s and early 30s for XP.
My Paladin after that had a rougher go of things, though.
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After talking to a private server operator I found out that they did overtune their server and I hope someday we can see Blizzard do the same to a server or two.
Know what, at least you admitted it. I can respect that.
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to make it harder just quit using addons and start using your brain and reflexes.
Not that I agree with OP but this argument is invalid in this case. It’s like saying “don’t use LFG addons if you don’t want to!”
The fact is, it has an overall big impact on how others people play the game, and that effects how you will play the game, and affects the economy, and the questing etc if everyone only spamming SM runs like I see.
What are you talking about, plenty of classes could kill elites solo. Mages still had frostbolt back then as far as I know.
You forgot to take into account people know what they’re doing now… people purposely bring mass mages for example to these groups. People play better, know their rotation, best talents, best gear etc
The memory is they “feel” more difficult, not that they were. Anyway blizz has the 1.12 client, it’s the literal code from back then so…