If it was more than a bloody nose they wouldn’t have been fighting a relatively successful war over all of Kalimdor through all of BFA.
How do you explain Delaryn and Sira siding with sylvanas and turning against the alliance after they were awakened by the val’kyr ?
Hm idk about that man, I doubt that we will kill off the last val’kyr at all, let alone kill sylvanas as she deserved. So killing the 1 val’kyr has 0 impact as long as the others aren’t dead either. And since it has been confirmed that there will be no more revenge from the night elves and that tyrande is very weak even after her transformation, I highly doubt anything will happen.
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No idea, they could well be under her control, they might also not be, it could just be poor representation of the lore for gameplay expediency. She’s been a bit abusive with it lately. But the vast majority of Forsaken have free will and it’s their defining trait. They even have a racial named after their wills. If you want to say some Forsaken don’t have free will you might have an argument (we don’t know if the night elves do or don’t), but generally speaking Forsaken do have free will.
I doubt you will either. Because Blizzard doesn’t kill off playable races. Like night elves.
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Well then that’s what the whole complain is about. That night elves get… absolutely nothing.
And you think Jaina’s Iceblock-Teleport at the end of Dazar’Alore isn’t? Hell you think her manning the Flying Dutchman and obliterating the walls of Lorderon isn’t?
If you think Nathanos living to run away from the living goddess is plot armor then you’ve been skipping a lot of cutscenes.
Well, him almost killing her is either him having insane plot armor or just tyrande being very very weak
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Him, a val’kyr, and the old god-killing “Horde Champion” manage to get her to 60% if they both only focus her and pop CDs.
In no way is that almost killing her. Especially since Malfurion is right there.
Besides, nobody has more plot armor than the players.
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She was basically cc’d and Nathanos was about to land the final blow before Malfurion appeared.
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Hmm, so there’s a few differences between the Horde and Alliance fight. We are CC’d by Tyrande’s weird shadow roots and have to break out. To save Nathanos from getting double teamed. Then the raising is completed, Tyrande oneshots Byrna and we run.
Well from what I’ve seen, Tyrande is unable to stand against nathanos and would’ve probably been finished off if Malfurion didn’t intervene. Pretty weak for a Night warrior, if you ask me.
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Not really. You do sort of have to pay attention to their health bars, but even while Prime Val’kyr buffed (and as a superior for of undead) Blightcaller accomplishes very little beyond stalling as long as Blizzard wanted him to do whatever the hell he was doing. What bothers me more is that New Andorhal showed us how absolutely absurdly powerful Prime Val’kyr can be, with the ability to summon nearly infinite common Val’kyr (yet for some reason this ability was not used)?
One of the Primes was needed for the resurrection, so I don’t really get why the other couldn’t be summoning an infinite army to help Nate stall? I mean I understand functionally why Nate didn’t die (because Blizz wasn’t willing to let SUPER Tyrande go around insta killing all our reps like she probably could) … but at least having the two NE leaders having to two man an entire army of Val’kyr; TWO primes; and Nate would have been more palatable for how that encounter concluded.
All true, and I was there, I had also leveled Undead prior. Slyvanas had Putress create that plague, it was used on South Shore and Gilneas in Cataclysm, Slyvanas had every intention of using against any who lived. She did not however intend for Putress to use it at the Wrath Gate. That falls entirely on Putress and Arthas, as Putress turned on Slyvanas by doing that.
Well you can watch a video about the scenario on youtube. Health bars have never really mattered in npc battles. Tyrande was cc’d by the val’kyr and Nathanos was about to land the final blow so she could join her fallen commanders that were being reawakened to undead during that time.
I still think it’s very very underwhelming. It’s still 1 val’kyr for 10.000+ other lives. Didn’t reconquer the zone, didn’t kill those responsible for the crime and didn’t get any new home for those few that are left of the night elves.
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Well, as a START I would assume it would suffice, however I do think the Nathanos vs Tyrande+Malf encounter does highlight the elephant in the room. Bluntly, the Horde was not powerful enough to do what Blizzard tasked of it this expansion; the Alliance power fantasy after Legion towered over the Horde’s (so much so that they hardly exist in the same genre of fantasy anymore). Darkshore is just one example of Blizz mcguffining the Horde to make the story THEY want to tell work (without any of the groundwork built before hand to justify it).
Bluntly, the only Horde rep capable of even stalling out NORMAL Tyrande is Sylvie; so the idea that ANY of them could stand up against SUPER Tyrande is really questionable. Honestly, while the Kaldorei ABSOLUTELY deserve more to their revenge, Darkshore does not shock me. Blizz wanted to do something with dead Sira and Summermoon (whatever that is … no idea), and there was no one on the Horde powerful enough to actually allow Tyrande to show off her powers (so its McGuffin time and Nathanos drew the short straw).
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Well yea, basically they just used the night elves to further continue the horde story and give them dark ranger generals/commanders.
And then they call it revenge…
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Orcs didn’t get our revenge against Kil’jaeden. The Forsaken didn’t get their revenge against the Lich King.
This is hardly unusual so suck it up.
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I wouldn’t go that far.
We still haven’t been really shown what the hell is going on with the Undead NEs, and tbh … I would hardly say that scenario was done for the Horde’s benefit (considering Tyrande just walks through entire military garrisons without issue, and our rep that drew the short straw to let her show off had to get a random prime Val’kyr buff to even justify her doing that much).
Also, considering Summermoon is literally Sylvie’s mini-Sylvie I’m genuinely just sitting around wondering how long it will take for the Fallen Ranger General to turn on her Lich King.
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Mans got a point lol! The MU Orcs were allowed ZERO relevance in the war against the very entities that tricked them, corrupted them, turned them into monsters, and ultimately resulted in the destruction of their planet. The Forsaken were a footnote (who’s highlight in WotLK was killing Alliance, Horde, and Scarletts) in the battle against Arthas.
Turns out … REVENGE is a luxury that not everyone is allowed in WoW.
Both of them died though, Sylvanas will get out of this whole thing without even a single loss. A suitable revenge would be a bloody march towards orgrimmar, burning down the city and letting Sylvanas burn.
Aside from that, Arthas and Kil’jaeden also attacked the alliance.
I just hope for something to happen, just something. They should not just let it end this way (as they announced that they did) because it’s such a punch in the face.
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How so? Do you really identify that strongly with make believe people in a video game?