wow do you have trouble reading? It isn’t that “everyone’s soul is tortured” it’s that “some of the night elf civilians who died in Teldrassil were also lated obliterated in the Maw”. Essentially, a cumulative impact.
you don’t know this
They say that Elune had a purpose for the souls and therefore justice isn’t important anymore. That makes no sense, they are not mutually exclusive.
pfft one against like 10 or 20
If you do Thorghast you would see souls from every race of the Alliance/Horde imprison and clearly being used as fuel for whatever the jailer wants. The Ardenweald questing was done to showcase the stakes for the night elves and ultimately even ends with night elves souls being saved.
And what is the point? That you think Blizzard intentionally wanted to humilitate/doesn’t care about Alliance fans? I think the whole thing was suppose to enflame some faction rivalry between Horde/Alliance fans but I doubt Blizzard wanted it to actually go that far.
He actually made sure to not to paint either as good or bad. He did make sure to point out what Garrosh wanted was probably going to be bad for both faction but her mentioned how " To see the factions ebb and flow as their leaders get embroiled in all manner of heroism or skullduggery is like a reward for long-time players." Not factions mean both will have moment of heroism and probably less then heroic moments(like the Purge)
I think it is A mark of it. If the devs. can make people invested enough to actually feel emotions when Varian died/Anduin getting back his sword or of Velen touching Kil’jaeden forhead you know they have a done a good job to make you care.
You assume the night elves are being batted because it was to try and prop up the humans/Alliance. I say they got hit because it is what is needed to make the story flow. I know the night elves don’t like being a part of the Alliance/no longer being their own faction but short of WoW 2 they are going to be stuck there.
Because you think the Jailer is going to just obliterate night elves souls and spare everyone else? The various Maw questing from Ven’ari tell the players that many souls are being destroyed to forge the army of the Jailer. The night fae covenant simply got a more up and personal view of that because Blizzard actually wants to show you the night elf souls(and by extension other souls) are not all doomed/the consequences of our failures.
It was part of one of the 9.1 interviews(i think the virtual Blizzcon one actually) where they mention Sylvanas is not getting away with it.
Find me the exact quote that says justice is not important. Base on the question it not so much that justice isnt important. It that one shouldn’t be consumed by it/end up having it turned into revenge.
Warcraft is probably going to last for a long time. And as show by Varian dying, people who take center stage do not do it forever(that isn’t to say I think Blizzard will kill Anduin, but I dont think he is going to end up being central to WoW’s story/probably will end up on the backburner next expansion)
Really? I have seeing what some people think of you on discord(and before you say anything I know what they think of me). Suffice to say I think there are people who say you don’t admit when your wrong. As for being a “broken clock”, I have see some of things of the I predicted fail and see things people kept saying where wrong to end up true(quick example, Voss and Garona being Horde).
Ultimately, you and I don’t have much of a choice but to “wait and see”. Personally, because I did “wait” I have see storyline I have always wanted to see(and thing I didnt know I want to see) play out and it is not like Blizzard doesn’t telegraph alot of things.(like the clear intention of the night elves to end up rebuilding).
Which is funny because the souls are obliterated lol. So Elune had a plan for like 5-10% of those who died at Teldrassil, and they were so important that she let the rest be obliterated?
That’s right, every race - regardless of faction - every fallen one in the fourth war ended up in it, but who set it all in motion? Who were the thousands of little helpers who made it all possible…was it Sylvanas Horde? Was it?
You have to understand, even if the ordinary soldiers didn’t deserve the fate, it was the Horde’s actions that caused a large part of the night elves’ civilian population to be killed and later end up in the Maw. Presumably, the losses of the night elves alone exceed the military losses of the Alliance and the Horde together, as civilian casualties often do.
You can save night elves exclusively more because % many more night elves are in the Maw as a result of the Fourth War than in relation to Horde or Alliance soldiers.
There was no other major tragedy of a civilian nature.
I think Blizzard likes to write their favourites, however…only those on the alliance side, overall they are not interested expect this. The alliance side has NEVER really gotten focus, not in the entire run of WOW.
As a DEV, bias is actually not good because everyone pays for WOW but bias ends up in an unequal distribution of available resources. See cata/mop and bfa.
well, whenever something bad happens to the night elves, strangely enough, a human character gets hyped instead of their own.
See Varian (Wolfheart)
See Anduin (BFA)
I have been present in so many situations when Blizzard simply lied…so many times, so…no, I don’t trust them there
lets agree to disagree
AND it’s a compounded effect. What part of this are you not getting? First they show night elf civilians burn in a genocide in Teldrassil, then they show several of them obliterated, with the rest tortured and not really saved until the PC with their deus ex powers come along.
Well I will quote you on this on the day she gets away with it. Show, don’t tell is not something Blizzard is capable of.
I don’t need to show anything. Anyone with a working brain can see the framing of the narrative. Justice is equated to vengeance and they establish a dichotomy between said vengeance and renewal. Tyrande chooses the path of renewal and is not seen in the Sylvanas fight, as of now.
Their track record isn’t really great either with justice, because the idiots at Blizz confuse justice with blind madness for vengeance.
Nobody is talking about the eternal future of WoW. We are talking about the here and now, Shadowlands, where Tyrande was said to be pursuing justice against Sylvanas and for her people.
You don’t have figures. If you’re going by the number in the room, it’s more like 10-20% who were obliterated, but I doubt even that is true.
I’m going by the number of those we saved and those we didn’t save in total. Remember that not only a thousand died in Teldrassil compared to the 100 we saved, many more died in Ashenvale and Darkshore.
lol
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Talanji will lead us to victory as we delete another alliance city from the map. Death to the alliance everywhere.
Don’t worry, Talanji got the Tyrande treatment too in her latest book.
And if that comes to pass then the circle will be complete and Blizz will have completed its pointless beat by beat do-over of Cata/MoP. All that will be left will be to send us to an alternate timeline where Thrall kills Sylvanas. 
Frankly, if they make Tyrande more like Jaina, then I think that is a lack of imagination and creativity on their part. Tyrande is not starting from the same place as Jaina in terms of history, culture and personality. Why should she end up at the same place?
I am likely being unfair to Blizz, but at this point, it feels like Blizz wants to lecture the Alliance player base (again) about how vengeance is bad. That wasn’t particularly fun the first time through and I am guessing that it isn’t going to be anymore fun this time through.
Blizz is really tone deaf when it comes to what their playerbase actually finds interesting and or likes, and considering they been pissing on Worgen and Kaldorei fans for the last 10+ years, I expect they’re going to do something really stupid with Tyrande…again. 
They’re trying to tell us that justice is bad, and that genocide against the Alliance / Night Elves and torturing their people into oblivion is good because Sylvanas did it.
Like I said, blizz is really tone deaf with these sort of messages. And the fact they’re doubling down on the Genocide is good, long as you’re tortured but beautiful message is a terrible joke 
But the Alliance hates the Horde?
It is very hard to say for sure how many Kaldorei souls were rescued from the Maw. Remember, you are not the only maw walker in the Nightfae covenant; canonically there are lots of us weirdos from Azeroth helping the covenants out.
The percentage saved will always work out to support the story, sort of like how only 10% of the Quel’dorei survived but somehow there is enough to keep a sustained kingdom and put up signifigant military forces repeatedly.
Also those who died away from Teldrassil in places like Astranaar became Wisps. Likely those IN Teldrassil did as well, but were immediately destroyed because… largest bonfire in Azerothian history. After a wisp dies the soul within it is cast into the Shadowlands. Becoming a wisp is an interjection by a cosmic force (Life, in this case) to prevent the Kyrian from taking them.
I suppose it is arguable that part of Elune’s plan was to have the Night Warrior (and perhaps even Ysera) present to drive Sylvanas out and rescue Ardenweald from being conquered, and then deliver her Tear to her sister so that the Heart of the Forest could be restored and the Sigil of Ardenweald reforged. Elune’s primary duty seems to be to ensure the cycle of life and death (for the entire multiverse, might I add) continues.
All that aside.
I have long had a complaint about how Blizzard handles our storytelling. Kaldorei tend to be used for:
I have long wanted them to give us actual tales about how the Kaldorei are progressing not about the past or how great it is to beat us up to show how powerful the Horde actually is.
…Alas, Blizzard is an evil genie and that wish was granted in the form of the WoT. Ugh.
So, I want to see them show the rebuilding from that tragedy properly. Let’s See New Darnassus in Hyjal. The problem is Blizzard isn’t so great at showing rebuilding, they like for the world to be on fire 24/7. That needs to change, tbh.
I just want to point out that we’re getting badly off topic here. This topic is about the Night Elves’ relationship to the Alliance.
@ Zerde - Before I’m accused of simply ignoring your last post: having read it, I don’t feel that anything in your last response is worth a reply.
It starts right at the beginning, the night elves are the only people in the whole game where we haven’t been given a reason why they joined a faction in the first place, it doesn’t exist.
We know the reason for all the other races, but for the night elves? Nothing, only silence.
This eventually leads to the problem that not only do we not know why, but with a reason for an alliance, the diplomatic foundation is also formed on the basis of cooperation, but if you don’t know on what basis an alliance is entered into, you also don’t know on what foundation the relationship with the alliance really stands.
Claim that I’m tacking to much to my usual course here - but I again don’t think that the precise reason actually matters all that much. After the discussion I had with Danseis, it occurs to me that the reasons that we both have: geopolitics and trade, are both hard to convey in a manner that connects with audiences. Like, maybe you could have portrayed merchants in either capital, but a) Night Elves don’t have one of those anymore (and so long as we’re talking about trade, the missed opportunities that said capital destruction had in that arena run off the page), and b) that still doesn’t answer the core, ultimately thematic reason about why these two peoples have decided not just that they tolerate each other, but that they are willing to die for each other.
We do have to step outside the bounds of realpolitik as well for this, because in actual geopolitics: there are no such things as friends, only competing and complimentary interests. That obviously isn’t what I’m looking for here - as again, I don’t think that would connect with audiences (unless we’re going full “Alliance” of convenience, in which case I’d have to ask why the Night Elves don’t start off as neutral to the Alliance and vice versa).
I feel like there is a sequencing problem in the how/why the Night Elves joined the Alliance. In the aftermath of Mount Hyjal, why did the Night Elves need the Alliance?
The Horde at that point in time wasn’t a threat, nor should it have been perceived as a threat.
Trade? What did the Night Elves need from the Alliance? As far as we know the Night Elves operated on their own and self-sufficient for centuries. What did the Alliance have that made it worthwhile for the Night Elves to trade with them?
Subsequently, the Horde became a threat to the Night Elves, and hence their place in the Alliance made more sense - but that came after the Night Elves had already joined.
It feels like there is a missing event or set of facts that would explain it.
In terms of right now and how to deal with the relationship, I tend to agree that the Night Elves should be ticked off at the Alliance and at Anduin in particular. However, that should be balanced against the reality that post-Teldrassil, the Night Elves are weakened and may need the Alliance’s support with rebuilding. That tension should always be present in the Night Elves’ dealings with the Alliance.
What I don’t know is how to square that with 9.1 focus on a Tyrande who is trading vengeance for renewal. I think that it depends on how much Blizz is toning her down. Does she go full Jaina (I hope not)? Or does she keep a bit of fire/edge?
I keep bringing it up but Bael Modan and the way the ES is obviously messing up several places in Kalimdor in Ironforge’s name has always me iffy about the nelves joining a faction from the word go.
I’m pretty sure the main reason we got the hamfisted intro stories in BC was specifically due to people realizing nelves joining either faction made no sense and wanting to address the issue with the new races, but only managing to compound the problem because it was that transparent.