How is this different than what we can do now after the 11.1 hunter changes? My hunter has a tenacity cat, a ferocity cat, and a cunning cat. Pet specs can be changed. Are you referring to specific abilities that are pet family specific (slows, mortal strike, etc.) and not role specific (primal rage)?
“Also I have included old requests that made it in the game to reflect my gratitude to Blizzard’s development team for all the cool stuff they add.”
I see now. I mis-read it. I was tired. Thank you for the clarification.
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I just don’t believe these arguments. There’s never any examples. The idea that the race using a class some how waters down the uniqueness of the class is just baseless.
An orc warrior vs a human warrior changes nothing about what a warrior is. However, players head cannon they can create about their specific warrior as an orc, or human, or gnome, provides infinitely more uniqueness.
An even better example is Shamans. Goblin Shamans have a completely different interaction with the concept than say Kul’tirans. And that’s way more unique than everyone having to adhere to what Orc’s think shamanism should be.
Please, if this is your criticism, expand on how this makes it less unique, because I’ve never seen the reasons why other than, “Nothing feels Unique.” Which doesn’t actually say anything other than you have a unique definition of the word unique, but a not so unique take on an old racist trope. (Races can’t learn certain classes because…)
P.S. I’m a Zandalari Shaman main. Not an elf. Except this season, because I’m maining a goblin shaman to roll with the undermine theme.
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I would actually love this one. I’d like to try out Evoker but I don’t like the Dracthyr model.
While I appreciate the like, I agree with Nazarion here. To preface, I don’t know if this is actual lore or not but I would say generally, Undead priests were humans that were priests before they became Undead and then…just kept being priests after they were Undead. I suppose if they were priests they could also have been Paladins, meaning Undead Paladins would be fine but…it just sounds wrong, IMO. I think of Paladins as holy warriors. I don’t think of the Undead when I think of Paladins.
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No, it isn’t.
In WoW, warriors have always been fairly generic so this just diluted the races, not the class itself.
Really?
Please show me this ‘completely different interaction’.
You can’t because it doesn’t exist (which is why Blizzard should have been used class skins when they choose to start creating nonsensical combinations).
Two things that made paladins, shamans and druids unique was how they were embedsed in both the abilities of certain races and the history/culture of certain races.
Throwing all that away, all that history, all that connection and making the ability widespread is what changes a class from unique to generic.
(And no it is not racism to say certain species in a fantasy setting having inherent abilities that other species don’t. The only reason that is a thing in our society is because we are all the same race/species !)
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Gameplay over lore 100% every day of the week. We play a game, not a book series
class quests
- Change the garbage profession system
- All reputations and currency are warband enabled
- See if they can do it without breaking important things in the game they admit they can’t fix. Oopsie poopsie.
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- Updated Silvermoon that resembles Suramar.
- Updated Isle of Quel’danas.
- Updated Ghostlands, Zul’Aman, and Eversong.
- All above areas flyable and moved onto the regular Azeroth map, not instanced.
- Zidormi able to revert to TBC time in these areas.
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Most Shamans have a mutual relationship with the elements, a partnership to wield those power.
Goblins manipulate and dominate those elements. The end result is that they can still wield the elements like other Shamans but it’s actually a different relationship. One might say a “unique” one. The example is that their totems aren’t statues channeling the power, but drill digging into the world. They are more like the dark shaman Garrosh used than classical Shamans.
Are you saying that the class was already watered down? Because I disagree. I know lots of warrior players, and depending on the race they choose, they have completely different back stories. My orc warrior was a Garrosh loyalist, but my Night elf Warrior is a guardian of Teldrassil that survived the burning of the world tree. Also, even though the class is the same, I play them differently.
Praetorian Zandalaria add a really nice flavor to the Paladin roll. The original Paladins were literally a coupling of powerful priests and warriors under human history. But the Blood Knights from the Sin’dori also add a different unique spin on the light and its influence.
None of the cultural aspects of these classes is lost in the game. When Tauren began wielding the light like Paladins, but in through worship of their sun god Anshe, it didn’t erase the history of the importance of the silver hand. Instead it actually expanded the universe of WoW to be more diverse, instead of relying on classical boring tropes. You’re defending the watering down of a fantasy world without realizing it.
But it kinda is. Because the only real reason an Orc can’t wield the light, by your perspective, is because they are what? Unworthy? Evil? Corrupted? A Tauren can’t because their religion of worshiping nature is what? Too primitive?
What “inherent” abilities existed in WoW lore that changes which races can use what classes? I understand that some cultures might develop their own styles. But the idea that the magical forces in WoW can’t influence or be influenced by any given living race just doesn’t have any evidence.
Again, Race/Class limitations are just a lazy way to create problematic shorthand for good and bad. It’s not nearly as diverse or creative as developing nuanced interesting cultures in a fantasy world. I also think more fantasy lovers are here for it. More so than the old tropes of the genres roots.
Lastly, the charger mounts that Paladins use, the totems that Shamans use, the Druidic forms that the different races use, are all expanded unique takes on these older classes. I don’t think that Zandalari Dinomancers or Kul’tiran Thornspeakers, dilute what druids are, they provide more unique concepts as to what druids can be.
P.S. Bonus for lore nerds out there. I see this idea that Paladins being Undead feels wrong because they are “Holy” warriors, whatever that means.
Fun fact, the first Paladins formed to fight the Orcs being controlled by the Legion, not against the Undead. There would have been Paladins training in Lordaeron when the plague hit and like those priests wielding the light that became undead, the paladins that died and became undead should be able to wield the light.
We have undead paladin like NPC’s. The only people holding onto this are mixing the real world idea of Paladin Tropes, with a class that has never really been that in game.
1a. Proper transmog on Dracthyr
And/or
1b. Evokers of other races that use the dragon flight mounts as a dragon form with customization. No reason to be a bipedal not-dragon if I also get to not wear armor.
2.Playable ethereals, and not the void ones (though them being an option is fine)
- New class
- Professions that are fun to have and work on, and don’t just reward those that are already rich
- All classes for all races (see 1b for evoker) use “lore constraints” as an easy way to develop new lore in this dynamic world that is not stuck in time
- If possible, slightly less standardized dungeons. I think that made me+ much more interesting in legion, as someone that doesn’t care for MDI or whatever
- Kael’thas revendreth was just a setback sunstrider
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It would be nice if they’d get achievements up to date, i think some mount collectors are at 1000 mounts but the last achievement we got was for 500 mounts lol
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All of this could have been fixed if blizz made sub specs or changed the theme of spells for the races. Ingame there is zero difference shown from a tauren paladin and a zandalari paladin. When both races use completely different powers
DKs get back what was taken going into legion