Every time I think I am the biggest whiner and complainer on this forum, someone shows up to try to take my trophy.
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yeahā¦it will for some players. Im so casual I just clicked the āstarter buildā and if it has the stuff I like to use, I leave it. I think most casuals will do what weāve always done, just use the abilities we need and leave the rest.
Hardcore DPSers will netdeck like they always do. To be expected. they want max performance and its understandableā¦
Itās not that big of a deal TBH, given there is no point to doing keys, raids and OvP as itās going to be the off season.
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I get that. Iām just someone who hates meta. So to me itās like āmeh I have to pick this or that to competeā Iāve always felt this eay whether itās Yugioh or Wow. It just stinks feeling like your hands are tied.
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It wont be that bad, and everyone will get used to it
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Thoroughly dramatic about something that has absolutely no bearing on the classes
Why?
Because the talents have been live to test out on PTR for a long time now, as well as calculators, and DF beta, and so on
We already know how the talents work and guess what, we have more powers available from the talents alone than we have had from Legion, BfA, or Shadowlands even at level 60
With the odd exception of Assassination Rogues due to them having their final talents at level 61 rather than 57
Sorry that you find it stupid but ā¦ no one else does
Well, at least anyone actually arguing in good faith
ā¦ you havenāt been on the PTR or even as much as opened any DF talent calculators have you? We get access to the final talents at 57 (except Assassination rogues that got trees that are 2 points longer than everyone elseās), our classes are fully operational at 58 with having reached the final stages of both the specialization and class trees
Definitely.
I think thats another reason why I gave up trying to progress to the upper echelon of content. I am just here for the role playing aspect. I really dont want to be a clone of every other player out there.
its the same with Magic the Gathering, used to be anyway. Someone finds something that works and boomā¦everyones doing itā¦and now cards are being banned or restricted, lol.
No creativity or originality at all.
There are a few classes, windwalker monk for example, where its impossible to hit a single capstone talent at level 60.
I like the talent trees donāt get me wrong, I donāt like to wait on 5 points for almost 5-6 weeks
They look like a beeās nest. I feel bad for the people who find out what is best.
Youāre missing 5 points per tree. Yes I played on beta and on ptr, and how tree for my class works I will be able to squeeze some minimum, and still Iāll be missing one major CD.
I canāt say Iām excited since the talent trees honestly scare the crap outta me, but it will be refeashing to finally have them to mess around with.
Im not sure if the wowhead calculator is out of date but i just checked to see if this is true and i can hit them no problem with level 60.
Not all at once mind, but i can reach up 2 at the same time. 1 depending on route.
Edited because i used poor phrasing
Interesting, it mustāve gone through a revision when I last checked. Good to know. 
Because wowhead calculator has points you will get when you lvl from 60-70.
So basically it has extra 5 points per tree
Ive not used all of the points.
Ive used 25 of them which it says requires level 59.
If i use another it says level 61 required
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its only for a month and the only thing going on is quests so it will be fine. already been playing on the beta with out those points on level 60 and the new ui āafter I spent a long time getting it just rightā is amazing and the talent choices are really awesome. we will see a lot more hybrid stuff and people need time to get their character the way they want
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In DF? No
On Pre-patch? No, because thatās not DF yet - just DF content in SL
Sorry but regardless of how one twists and turn things, we arenāt missing abilities until DF actually launches and at that point we get 'em by leveling up
Furthermore I just looked into specifically your class and specialization and ā¦
Iām sorry but you have access to MORE abilities than folks have access to on average at level 60 come prepatch
If you are making a sweeping overall statement, you are wrong
And if it it was fueled by concern for others, if its assassination then sure I think most people agrees thatās just weird and really not fun to have happened
But in every other case we get access to more stuff and more options at level 60 come prepatch
Okay, and? Iād rather be able to accurately pick which alts Iām gonna level in which order before Dragonflight comes out based on how much I like playing the class in the pre patch.
Donāt get me wrong, I prefer the MoP era talent tree but itās not staying. Pointless clinging onto it when I could be learning the new trees on my main and alts.
lol. I cant even say I like the talent treeā¦its not how I would have wanted to do it. But it is what it is. Bliz making things a little more confusing than they need to be.
The three talent rows were perfect. Give us a longer list of three talents to choose from. The tree just forces a choice that I dont want to have to make to get what I want.