It was public knowledge that he and his gilneans forces attacked the forsaken and Sylvanas in Stormheim. Far as I can recall, I don’t think anyone actually knew what Sylvanas was up to.
If they did know, I don’t think the horde would have been soo eager to go to war for her otherwise.
It doesn’t seem to come up, I just know the attack is seen in Legion and mentioned in the short stories.
To quote directly from page 1 of A Good War,
"That was a concern, Saurfang had to concede. In the thick of the fighting against the Burning Legion, Greymane had launched a mission to kill Sylvanas. It had gotten some of Stormwind’s few remaining airships destroyed.
There were whispers that Greymane had ordered the attack without Anduin’s permission, but as far as Saurfang knew, Greymane had not been punished. The implications of that were troubling, and every possible explanation led to same conclusion: the old worgen would always drive the Alliance toward war against the Horde."
Thus from what I understand all Saurfang knew was that Genn had attacked Sylvanas. and that there was no backlash or punishment for the attack. Which played apart in Sylvanas convincing Saurfang to support the War of Thorns.
Yes, she explains why she’s going to Stomheim to the Horde player in the quest chain that leads you to the Broken Isles. She tells us to go for the Aegis of Agrammar and she tells us she’s going on a sidequest. The only thing she doesn’t outright say is that she’s planning to enslave the Valkyr of the Valajar.
Ah, well, how good of Blizzard to tell the fanbase what the fanbase thinks. Really, everyone who disagrees with you ought to apologize for wanting to see stories meaningfully progress instead of being abandoned after the marketing is over.
To be fair, I personally am willing to move on purely because I have 0% faith in Blizzard’s ability to deal with the ramifications of the result of their ill-thought out shock value story in any meaningful/logical way.
Look, you can keep make claims about my motivations. That is nothing more than more ad-hominem arguments. Doing that is is flawed as any ad-hominem arguments. It is a listed fallacy for a reason and in the end you aren’t really making any significant point.
From a Horde pov I understand why this is best.
From an Alliance pov? Not so much.
I have to say I think you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
I has become a cycle. Posters convince themselves that Blizzard’s plot is that the Horde is evil, then they get mad when Blizzard doesn’t regard them as evil in stories like this one or other places. They want “consequences” for the evil they have convinced themselves exists in the Horde when it isn’t going to happen.
I mean… I didn’t write the game’s story, so I don’t see how stating what the game is blatantly and outright saying could possibly be interpreted as me setting myself up for anything.
I get that you want to defend Blizzard. I’m not going to judge or shame you for that. But pretending that a novella somehow makes obsolete the things that came right after it, things that outright contradict your chosen interpretation of said novella is just not the best way to defend them.
Maybe focus your defense on how awesome you felt Shadowlands was or something?
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume any motivation on my part. Aside on how poorly accurately you have been at it, ad-hominem characterizations are not really arguments.
And, as I have mentioned, I think you have poorly interpreted the novella (though I wouldn’t assume any motivation for that). But everyone can make up their own minds about that.
BTW, for those not familiar with the story in questions…
what passages in A Good War?
A magical section in the Good War apparently makes the Horde as innocent as the first snow of christmas, apparently.
We are circling back to the players not being bright enough to comprehend the genius that is the wow writing team.
This is true. Saurfang understood that Genn’s unprovoked attack went unpunished and this was reasoning Sylvanas used to show that Anduin was not the High King his father was.
“The boy in Stormwind will not start a war tomorrow,” Saurfang said.
Her eyebrows lowered. “With Genn Greymane in his ear? We will see.”
That was a concern, Saurfang had to concede. In the thick of the fighting against the Burning Legion, Greymane had launched a mission to kill Sylvanas. It had gotten some of Stormwind’s few remaining airships destroyed.
There were whispers that Greymane had ordered the attack without Anduin’s permission, but as far as Saurfang knew, Greymane had not been punished. The implications of that were troubling, and every possible explanation led to same conclusion: the old worgen would always drive the Alliance toward war against the Horde.
Sylvanas was using solid logic, even Saurfang acknowledged that. I’ve pointed this out countless times. This whole scene was great.
And I think you have poorly misrepresented my entire argument, which has been that regardless of what the novella says, Blizzard has actually gone to great lengths to show the Horde as evil.
You claim that my assumptions about your intent, that you want to defend Blizzard, are incorrect. But how can they be? You have gone out of your way to presume that they are not the problem for the story they have presented to the players time and time again… Because they wrote a novella four years ago. How can we hold them accountable for the story they have told as recently as 10.2? After all, AGW exists.
You offer no citation to show how they paint the Horde in a positive light regardless of their strike first, strike hard, no mercy war and when asked, the best you have managed is to cite examples of why the Alliance might not be painted in a positive light, because some of them also wanted to has fight.
But it’s our fault. We must not have read AGW.
Unless some kind of subliminal messaging exists in A Good War’s lines and dialog, I do not see how it can possibly show me what you claim it has shown you.
Please. Stop dodging and enlighten the unwashed masses here.
The Whole context behind what happen in Stormheim is broadly ignored. Everything from The Book found in Azshara, Genn actively stopping Sylvanas from enslaving our allies in Stormheim. To the Evidence of Sylvanas shady dealings with Helya.
Yet, They story make Genn out as some sort of bad guy for all of Stormheim except completely ignores all the fact that he did save us all from Sylvanas/Legion and Helya. The fact that he gets berated by Anduin or that Saurfang isn’t aware of any of it or isnt aytleast a little curious about what sh was doing is ridiculous. Genn would have had ample evidence and witnesses to prove he was in the right. He also didn’t kill her, he made a point to only go as far as destroying the Lantern so release Eyir. If he truly wanted her dead im sure he would have pressed the matter and not walked away.
Greymane had no idea what the Horde was up to in Stormheim until the zone’s penultimate quest. He nuked their fleet and attempted to assassinate their warchief with zero provocation and was rightly upbraided for it by Anduin.
That through sheer dumb luck Greymane ended up doing the world a favor doesn’t make it any less legitimate a grievance. He deserved to be taken to task for that colossal act of aggression; a pity the only characters who cared to do so are evil, dead, or Alliance.
Agreed, Genn should have put his issues aside to focus on the actual threat, that being the Burning Legion.
He nuked their fleet and attempted to assassinate Sylvanas for little reason, losing a gunship in the process. Talk about incompetence.
Actually, it isn’t dumb luck when you know the nature of someone is to be generally up to no good based on their past actions. It was actually a pretty educated assumption that she was upto something.
It would be on the Horde to prove that he had no insights into their plans, the fact they ignore the copious amounts of evidence that he could provide would show he was well aware of her intentions and had every reason to attack the Horde to stop her.
The Fact Saurfang doesn’t seem to care to ask the question about what Sylvanas was upto there just proves his own incompetence or hypocrisy. He only sought his good death so was willing to ignore any inconsistencies to get his war.
Fact is Sylvanas actions made Genns actions fine because she was up to no good and needed to be stopped for the protection of Azeroth.
She was the bigger threat though Ironically.
And Crippled the hordes ability to assist her thus allowing Genn to stop her enslaving Eyir. Would have been alot harder with an army of Horde in the way.
Yeah, all two of them.