Hmm… Where was that from? I don’t remember that. I could see there be secret spot in shadowlands similar to the emerald dream. But a city doesn’t seem to say a secret. I guess it could be like the dreaming city in destiny?
And I wouldn’t say there are no real established lore. The fundamental lore of shadowlands is realm of decay representing death. Unless something happen when they were living, spirits are in shadowlands to rest. A city… well… it’s kinda for living isn’t it? A city is like a bunch of people working, trading, doing stuff. That doesn’t really say resting. The massive structure also go against the decay. You know? Because stuff was created, like, a lot. And it still standing. So, it’s not decaying.
When Vol’jin goes off at the end of his BFA quest line he says he is heading into areas we cannot ourselves visit because only the truly dead can travel there.
Most the shadowlands is probibly terrible for sure, they are scary enough they scare someone like Odyn. But, for example whatever corner the Holy Light has for it’s adherents does not sound bad at all. The souls Bwon cares for do not seem to be in torment and his temple seems to sort of straddle the line between our world and the next one.
They are sort of free to expand on the shadowlands and say for example that city is where souls go to be sorted. Also… I mean even dead people need houses I guess? If you are stuck there forever wouldn’t you want somewhere to call home? wandering aimlessly through a dreary hades like existence sounds pretty awful.
It’s not just the current one. It’s the fundamental one. It’s like saying death is not decay. Fel actually are life. Emerald dream is the realm of death.
…fun fact druids seem to sometimes end up in the emerald dream when they die as their afterlife. It is normally a spiritual realm only visited by projecting your spirit while sleeping unless you enter through a special sort of portal.
Death isn’t decay. Decay is an Element, and Death is a fundemental Force. The two are different concepts. Decay is the Element that allows Dark Shamans to force the elements to their will.
They can be merged. Shadowlands is described as being a realm of decay, but that doesn’t mean the two concepts are mutually inclusive. We’ve also seen the Shadowlands described as a paradise for some. It can be multiple things.
Seeing through this given eye, great Odyn saw the Shadowlands. He saw life, saw it even in the land of death, and he was satisfied that his Valarjar would live beyond the mortal realm.
And yet still he saw death. He saw souls in torment, and souls in anguish, and the husks of the dead lay all around him. He saw ghostly wraiths with no face, and others with no form, and all were made of death itself. And as he saw, even the great Odyn, master of the Halls of Valor, chosen of Aman’Thul, was afraid.
How is there being an ethereal (adjective not race) city in the shadowlands anything like those analogies you used? I’m not seeing the connection. I don’t believe you see the connection either.
Yeah? There’s as much as Blizzard deems. We really don’t know jack about the Shadowlands beyond vague “land of decay” and “life is there”.
To be honest, I don’t think what we know about the Shadowlands paints an accurate picture of it. It’s larger and vaster than simply being the realm of the dead.
We don’t have an accurate picture of what the Shadowlands actually looks like beyond a reflection of Azeroth. I get the sense it’s way more than just what we’ve been told already.
I think this is way off mark. The picture that is painted via Chronicle is that the Shadowlands have existed for exactly as long as life has. If the Emerald Dream is painted over the mortal world of Azeroth, I imagine the Shadowlands are painted over the mortal worlds of everything.
Is it though? Not trying to be skeptical but I really want to see what’s going on at blizzcon, but if peeps are excited for ow2 then I am happy for them.
Capable to do something or not is not my point though. It’s the need to do it. ICC like the name imply built as a citadel. A military stronghold by the order of the lich king.
In shadowlands most denizen are spirit. They don’t need buildings or sustenances. They just chill eternally. We’ve seen them do it before in Nar’thalas. They just let stuff stay like it is. Not that they can’t touch stuff either. They could. We’ve ride ghost hippogryph. They can fight the naga. They just didn’t bother.
To be perfectly honest. Can I write things to make the city work? Well, I kinda could. But it would just feel… weird. Like… it’s just doesn’t fit.
The dead recreating what they knew in life because they are clinging desperately to their lost lives or find comfort in something familiar so they build themselves a home they don’t actually need if given the chance is a fairly common theme.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see random small settlements with architecture based on which race lived there all over the place if there is an area in the shadowlands where the dead were allowed to just exist and do whatever.