Nah the mobility war has gone so far that I think ret would be unplayable without final verdict at this point.
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Needa be realistic. The community will not accept Ret being pseudo range and also trucking. The experiment that started in dragon flight has proven to be a failure. Other Rets might enjoy the spec how it is now though and disagree with me but you also need to acknowledge with its current design it will never be allowed to do good damage. I feel like having a strong niche is better than just being mid in every aspect.
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Iâm ok with lower damage higher uptime or higher damage lower uptime. Either way is fine. I am just a Paladin enjoyer 
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They should be designing for more comp diversity, not less. Ret and Enhance have like 1 viable comp each, itâs badly designed.
All melee should have MS including ret, enhance, survival
All ranged spec should lose their MS effect - marksman, bm, demo, destro
This makes comp diversity way better. You can play caster cleave without MS, a zug zug melee cleave, or a mixed ranged/melee comp with MS. Ret and Enhance would work with most casters.
Either this or remove MS altogether (except for sharpen blade, psyfiend, soul rip)
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Caster talons typed this. Mortal strike and sharpen blade should be the only ms
As long as they nerf warrior damage to compensate for this then sure
But I donât think warrior players want this to be their only niche, they want to do damage as well therefore all melee should have it or none of them should
If warrior did similar damage to other melee while being the only spec with MS, then why would you ever play with any melee besides a warrior?
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Because you have a warrior friend and MS doesnât stack. Duh.
No bs, donât think Iâve ever seen anyone at any mmr run this even once
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You can play DH, itâs got everything you need.
Iâm amazed youâre still here lol
I have an idea for warrior rework that will make it fit more into the lore. All self-healing removed.
Why play RET when you want ms, mobility, and stun kills again?
You should play DH for all your needs
or Fury warrior
Empowered Devotion - while devotion aura is active 15% of damage taken by the paladin is instead evenly redistributed amongst 4 nearby allies. Any ally under the effects of one of the paladins blessings is given this effect for the duration.
Rebuttal- successfully interrupting a target reduces the cooldown of rebuke by 2 seconds, stacking twice, upon receiving a third stack, stacks are cleared and rebuke is replaced with
[Rebuttal] - silences the target for 4? seconds
Stoic Aura - Your stoicism talent is replaced with an aura that affects all nearby allies at 100% effectiveness.
Radiant Purpose - Divine purpose no longer grants a free cast, instead reducing the cost of your next holy power spell by 1, reducing the gcd incurred by .5 Proc rate increased to 25?%
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You can have all that. Just remove lay on hand and bop. Keep the bubble. Ret basically has 3 trinket 1 lay on hand and every 1 min burst. The only class they weak against is healer.
Only if it works on the caster itself and not his teammates, since you already have freedom for that
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And why exactly would anyone ever play anything else than Ret with those talents?
Please donât forget, that your class already has a crazy toolkit. For anything additional you want, you would need to drop something really loved as exchange, or all other DPS classes have to get something as good as Sanc, BoP, LoH, etc. in the future to justify it!
The ideas alone show that you either donât care about balance, or that you are missing an objective PoV so you should do any balancing attempts!
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Based, as the kids say. Anyone who disagrees pees while sitting down.
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Retbull- It gives you wings
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I like active MS like Psyfiend. I think passive MS is way too powerful and realistically unbalance-able between all the specs
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Just to add to this thread. If Ret Paladins are never going to be able to have PvP talents like these, we must have serious burst damage back.
Tired of the age-old arguments that Ret canât have certain things because it will break the spec.
Meanwhile Warriors have charge, leap, Bladestorm to immune CC, huge burst damage with spear and consistent self-healing with Second Wind, Impending Victory and Pain and Gain. All with a MS effect.
Windwalker Monks have CC Immunity with Conduit, Roll, Root Break with Tigers Lust, the best defensive cooldowns for self all while doing unhealable damage. All with a MS effect.
If Ret cannot have something Holy Crusader, as I suggested here, then we need to have serious damage during burst windows.
Pick your poison.
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