New player talking point

Maybe so. But atleast you will know each character since they would introduce them and not place you into a situation where not one time they have introduced themselves of who they are or what they are.

In all fairness, you don’t see 5 bajillion posts across both the forums and social media every second screeching about it, so it can be very hard to miss compared to a lot of other topics.

The forums has been silent about this very discussion or topic until in dragonflight where it’s louder and more widespread. And yet where was all of this decades ago? Tell me?

Quick search will tell you they didnt wait

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For an experienced player? Yes. For someone just getting into WoW, or MMO’s as a whole? Yeah no it’s baffling and terrible at preparing players. Just because Capping is easier, does not mean the game is better for new players. Often the opposite.

I expect a person who started in Cata and levels up normally to last longer, be a better player, and enjoy themselves more than someone who starts any modern expansion with a level boost- or speed ran from 1-70 in BFA.

That word does not mean what you think it means.

This is self-confirmation bias.

Why do people still keep taking this troll seriously?

He has at least one braindead post a week just to generate replies.

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Pointing out facts isn’t “bootlicking.” I wasn’t commenting on its merits one way or the other, simply stating that, relatively, it was JUST DONE.

But
 grats on upping your forum cred, I guess.

They didnt. Its been a complaint for a long time. You just have selective amnesia.

Blizzard is the only one that knows how many new players are actually coming in. If it was a lot we would get an improved experience a lot faster but there isn’t a lot of new players so
we will have to wait and see what they do.

I worry about DF being the default leveling expansion. New players will come in expecting WARcraft and get the island of dragons and friendship.

I don’t think they’re ever going to dedicate the resources to properly addressing the new player experience. Even if they did that, there’s a good chance they’d whiff harder than upgrade costs in Remix.

Given that, there’s no reason to pound any tables for them to fix it.

Im confused, and I’m clearly missing something. Shadowlands characters didn’t really play major roles - or any roles - in DF. No real Dragonflight presence in SLands. And then, in DF, Anduin isn’t anywhere. Etc.

Honestly, starting in BFA is good because that sets the stage for the conclusion of Amirdrassil and some character arcs. In fact, I would argue that we’ve had two trilogies thus far:

Legion trilogy: MoP, WoD, Legion
And: the world tree saga (plus death realms and tying up old gods on Azeroth so we’re not burdened by those guys going into the grand finale of azeroth’s sentience awakening in the world soul saga)
 which was BFA, Slands, Dragonflight.

Anyway, I digress, but shadowlands would be very jarring, narratively. To go from either the exile’s island intro quests straight to Maw, or, traipsing around northshire abbey and then
straight to the Maw. At least BFA is less cosmic, IMHO.

BFA doesn’t deal with the amirdrassil dragonflight does. Also, I said dragonflight will be replacing BFA as the default leveling experience once war within launches.

Correct, but BFA is the expansion into which we see elements of the fallout of teldrassil. Amirdrassil is the resolution to the burning of teldrassil in BFA.

My comment about SLands was in reference to you proposing SLands would be a better default leveling. If I misunderstood this, my apologies.

The actual tree doesn’t get mention anywhere in the war campaign and its mention only in the battle for lordaeron.

Well, that’s peculiar. Is there no mention of why we’re seeking Allie’s in Kul Tiras? It’s been so long for me


What I said to the response to that person said “BFA is bad” and so I responded by saying in dragonflight should’ve replaced it with shadowlands as the default since there are characters from shadowlands will be appearing in Dragonflight and plus it does a better job at introducing characters than say BFA ever did. Also, BFA narratively was more convoluted than say shadowlands.

Umm ppl have been talking about it way before Dragonflight lmao

Eh, does story really matter for the new player experience? I know almost no one who even knows or cares what the story is, and that was especially true during vanilla. Horde kill ally, ally kill horde
 That’s it, that’s all we knew and that’s all that mattered.

As someone starting over on a new account, the only expansions I didn’t play were WoD and Pandaria(LOL no way I was coming back for this), and I dropped BFA/CATA soon into them because it was complete garbage. The best leveling experience would definitely be Legion. And if by some chance they care about story, then Legion had one that people seem to love so
 I don’t know, that seems like a good choice to me.

Outside of Nazjatar, BFA is a mess and not even worth looking at. I had to do a bunch of it for the Snapback Scuttler and holy crap, it’s even worse than I remember. Also, as a side note, a Kul Tiran AI attacked me in comp stomp and instead of fighting I was more focused on the shock I was feeling at the existence of that race. I have yet since my return to see a single Kul Tiran player.

This is part of the alliance intro to kultiras where they explained why we need kultiras to fight the horde and while the horde gets the ancient race of trolls aka the zandarlari for their war effort.

Because he needs his confirmation bias and thus ignores everything that contradicts himself. The new player experience has been criticized since as early as Cataclysm, perhaps even earlier.

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