New Novella - Heartlands

Small note:
Jaina is in her mid-40s. She wouldn’t be menopause age yet even without magic.

I think that depends on how much it is extended. Senegos was REALLY old. From everything we see it seems that magic will extend a lifespan some amount. How much it extends it depends on how much power.

Jaina having 2, 3 or even 4 times the normal human lifespan seems plausible. Living thousands of years is probably outside her reach though.

That said, I really doubt we will see Jaina have a child in WoW. I don’t think anything in lore prevents it. I just don’t see that being something the narrative team will pursue. Just my gut feeling though.

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Easy. Blizzard, as usual, pays no attention to book lore.

The Scarlet Crusade would never accept the aid of non-humans and I daresay the Scarlet Crusade would be far better equipped if they received such grandoise aid.

Genn’s comment doesn’t mean they are running out of manpower, only that Stormwind was running out of trained soldiers and had to resort to conscription. The Scarlet Crusade’s new army wasn’t big, it was only a threat because the Forsaken were decimated and struggling to rebuild Lordaeron, same with the Gilneans who fought a fortified Scarlet Crusade in Gilneas.

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It was in game. So that doesn’t even work. It’s part of the forsaken leveling experience in tirisfal

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That was before the current writers came on board and they’ve shown time and time again they don’t care about what happened before they arrived.

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I’m for it. Shandris and Umbric would be a power couple. Ironically they’re the inverse of Thalryssa and Lor’themar.

Umbric taking the role of Thalryssa, but being Thalassian elf and Shandris being the inverse of Lor’themar as a Darnassian elf. I want to see another marriage of the elves! This would also tie the laces of Thalassian elves with their Darnassian/Shalassian counterparts.

I get that it was a rule of cool moment, but it was in game and not part of some book most people never read.

I guess a little consistency is too much to ask for :persevere:

It wasn’t? In game it was the survivors of Southshore fleeing to Fenris Isle and allying with the Gilnean Liberation Front, where said survivors accepted the worgen curse as a means of fighting back against the Forsaken and were gunned down swimming across Lordamere Lake.

Exploring Azeroth Eastern Kingdoms is where the Bloodfang are shown controlling the isle.

The Bloodfang pack harassing the forsaken and them turning the nobles is in game. They chose the worgen curse over being turned into undead

I’ve played it enough to know

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I mean, he’s there, fair enough. But Darius Crowley is the one doing all the talking.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/No_Escape
The only ones guarding it initially are humans from Hillsbrad.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Hillsbrad_Refugee
They are later joined by Gilneas Liberation Front worgen for the “No Escape” quest.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Worgen_Sentry
All of the worgen fighting in northern Silverpine are from the GLF.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/thumb/f/f9/Silverpine_07.jpg/800px-Silverpine_07.jpg
Around this time the Bloodfang Pack hasn’t even aligned itself with the Alliance yet, and we are told it will “take time” before they are ready to join the war.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Waiting_to_Exsanguinate
Which shows in that they only fully join the fray an unknown time later, after the events at Fenris Isle.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Bloodfang_Scavenger
But we only see them in large numbers after the Forsaken counter attack pushes the GLF back to Gilneas and later on Hillsbrad.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Bloodfang_Berserker
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Bloodfang_Scout
And, of course, Shadowfang Keep.

How would he know? Thrall is probably not a Trekkie. She isn’t truly him anyway, she’s her own person, not a rib.

It does strike me as at least a little improbable that her being Durotan and Draka’s daughter, as the leader of the Mag’har, would never have come up. The only way to sidestep it is that they never interacted with one another, but they’re both on the Council that exists in Durotar.

Frankly, it is something that should have come up in-game, but Geya’rah was practically ignored until now.

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I feel like “zataschia” is xalatath in a cheap wig, but who knows.

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It kind of already happened with Durotar hosting that Alliance fort in the middle of it. As of the exploring azeroth books.
Blizzard seem quite bent on having either faction having holdings where they really should not.
That said, I don’t think Silvermoon will be neutral, it will still clearly be Horde but allow for high elves to live there if they don’t run the Alliance’s banner and errands.
See Arator, his parents are core Alliance leaders but he himself work for and live in Silvermoon which is a Horde city and kingdom.

Shadowfang keep is strange, mainly because we have not heard anything. In the newly updated love is in the air questline the chemical crown moved back in, like they did after we kicked Arugal out in vanilla. But I’m doubtful of the canon of this questline, the more worrisome part is that in the Horde Gilneas reclamation quest-chain, Where they meet in the human village beneath shadowfang keep so they can have a low profile as it’s abandoned, now I can’t imagine the bloodfang accepting forsaken presence in the village that’s in direct connection to their keep. Which would point to them being absent, not to mention no bloodfang being present for the reclamation at all either, which is also very strange.

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They already said it’s gonna be the hub for Midnight

I was thinking more the lore status of it.

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When did they say that?

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I know they said we’ll be returning to Quel’thalas. But I didn’t hear anything about what the actual HUB would be.

We won’t be getting that kind of information until summer of next year anyway

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I am just glad to not only see the status of Hammerfall being clarified - people were arguing whether it even existed after the War Front. As if the Alliance won the whole zone when they won the war front.

I always had a special place in my heart for Hammerfall. Some of my fondest memories from Vanilla were questing from Hillsbrad through Arathi.

It was nice to see the status of Hammerfall confirmed, and also given the proper importance to the Horde characters. It means something to the Horde, and it should. It was nice to see it discussed, I was worried about the place.

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Still saying the Blackrock should carve a canyon from Hammerfall to Jintha’alor and meet up with the Revantusk. We know Blizzard hardly considers the logistics of the game but Hammerfall, geographically, is not a great place to be in.

They’re cornered far from friendly territory and if Marran ever got her way, or anyone like Merran, Hammerfall would be surrounded and sieged with no hope of quick reinforcements. Considering they’re not Forsaken either, waiting it out might not be the best option. So some route that connects them to more friendly territory is going to be critical for the place’s survival and security.

Does make me wonder now how the Kor’kron got to Hammerfall if they were the second to arrive. Does not seem as if Marran is someone who would have let them waltz right in front of Stromgarde, or even take the back roads nearer to the Hinterlands :thinking:

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20 years is more than enough time for another generation of humans to have grown up, and it’s not like all the remaining humans suddenly stopped having children after the Third War. They also haven’t been above having children fight in the past, as seen with Lilian Voss.

On that point, if Marran is about 40 years old, then she is too young to remember a time before the Orcs came to Azeroth. All her ideas of the glory of old Arathor are entirely based on stories, not her own experience. Someone like her, who is caught up on stories about how great everything was before the Horde came or before Lordaeron fell, is ripe for recruitment by the Scarlets. If anything ever comes of the old propaganda pamphlet’s claim about the secret Menethil/Arathi heir, I wouldn’t be surprised if Marran shows up as well to back that claim.

Silvermoon has not been confirmed as the capital hub for Midnight. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is and I’m somewhat expecting it, but there’s also a chance that we set up on Quel’Danas. Personally, I’d rather see Silvermoon be the Horde hub and have a revamped Exodar floating off of Quel’Danas for the Alliance hub, since the Draenei are already more invested than most Alliance races in keeping the Sunwell from going void.

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