New M+ Format IS GOOD!

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The three primary concerns you see:

  1. There is no clear gearing path between Heroic and M0.
  2. Heroics are insufficient in difficulty to prepare people for M0.
  3. M0s are too difficult to be the Mythic entry point. (but I think this has a lot to do with 1 and players not being geared enough)

And as you can see from this thread (and the many others like it), the most common responses to these concerns are “git gud,” “you should be grateful for what you got,” or outright dismissal.

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Hmm.

Veteran gear should be sufficient for m0. . . even halfway upgraded with whelpling crests, it meets the best gear of S3, albeit sans set bonus (unless you catalyse it, anyway).

I’m not really familiar with the heroic difficulty curve though. I have a priest who just reached 491, maybe I can find a like-geared group to give it a try.

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Because by raiding you are lucky to get 1 item a week, sometimes zero and just vault, but spamming brain dead keys can get you a lot.

It’s also free access to aspect crests for crafting and upgrades.

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let’s be fair, raiding is plenty braindead too. heroic raid, +8 keys, there’s no difference except that one is much more boring (imo) and takes longer. m+ is also no more likely to give you loot you actually want than raiding is, even if the quantities are admittedly higher!

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8s also give mythic track in the vault and aspect crests, something heroic doesn’t and requires mythic raid, despite 8s lack of difficulty.

Keys drop loot at double the ratio of raids as well.

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all true! a lot more of that loot is junk, though. so it kind of evens out at least in that sense.

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Hear hear!

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You also have to stop being bad at the game to be competitive, people seem to forget that part and think the gear will do it all for them

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Just popping in to show support for the OP

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Wait you guys get no loot at all for doing a +19 uber super duper impressive bbq key?

Good!

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I mean the loot drops, but it’s the same loot you would get from a +9 and if you’re doing keys that high you’re already much more geared. You might want a socket or some avoidance but none of the base items are worth anything to anyone.

509 2/6 Hero Track.

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thank goodness

Ladies and Gentlemen, we got em’!

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I guess I don’t see what you’re getting at here. People pushing beyond reward levels aren’t doing it for the gear. Been this way since M+ was introduced

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So what you’re telling me is that if it was a challenge mode and nothing more past 10 nothing changes.

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As someone who does push for title. That’s all it is / has ever been.

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Yeah. The infinite scaling is simply there to push your limits.

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Good, then we can delete Mythic Plus and leave a challenge mode and go back to just Normal, Heroic, and Mythic dungeons. Simple and effective!

People don’t like affixes and stuff anyway if you read these forums.

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They don’t have to go into m+ if they don’t want to then.
They can stay in Normal, heroic, and Mythic.

Problem solved

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Then you’re going to need to either make the dungeons much much harder or make dungeons just default drop worse gear than raids like it was in WoD and before.

I doubt people want either of those things. They’re already complaining M0s are too hard.

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That isn’t enough for me. I want the content to come to me!

No it’s simple. Normal gives Adventure loot, Heroic gives Veteran, and Mythic gives Champion. Each rewards a tier higher in the vault like normal.

But nobody gets Mythic loot unless they raid or chose Mythic on hardmode. And everything is a weekly lockout again.

evil grin