New Customization Options for Blood Elves and Void Elves

[Somand-proudmoore]

Truly this is the darkest timeline.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

@Renotarshil-malganis

Since no one answered, I guess there isn’t any.

I mean, we know of the silver covenant and their extreme dislike of the horde, so much so that they would fight and attempt to purge the city of their own kin.

The SC is made of mages and rangers so obvious the major mage and ranger culture.

We also can see that Allerian stronghold was made with the arcane and high elf towers, so mainly in tact culture that the blood elves share. (But I’d say that is closer to the original culture than what we see in blood elves now.)

The Highvale elves culture has return to their near natural/ranger roots.

[Eärendiil-ragnaros (Eärendiil)]

it is too soon to speak that the bite is arcane

At the moment I have seen it more than when using certain weapons the owner changes his eyes

[Guzzle-barthilas]

Just make the post already.

[Orcnroll-illidan]

Sorry, but you’re not thicc enough to pull off Kut’tiran hairstyles.

[Taurtarus-tichondrius]

How about me?

[Elyssaria-kargath]

Thicc elves please…

[Hypêrspace-dalaran (Hypêrspace)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrEmZ35fxc

[Rialius-wyrmrest-accord (Rialius)]

I play a male blood elf mage who is a bit thick. He likes to cook he likes to eat what he cooks. He’s a chonky boy.

[Orcnroll-illidan]

Elves with that thicc Human female booty would slay me.

[Dekuleaf-emerald-dream]

@Renotarshil-malganis

@Renotarshil-malganis

What is the High Elf culture on the Alliance?

Since no one answered, I guess there isn’t any.

What’s the point of this?
At first I wasn’t sure if you’re trying to stimulate the convo, but you’ve definitely just proven that you’re trying to aggravate people.
Bad!

Regarding culture, I’m not even sure why we are discussing culture in a video game. You mean like tree hugging vs arcane magics and stuff? High elves seem to definitely share the arcane/ranger theme that every other elf in this game shares.
Although I can’t really accurately describe culture for any race really

[Isveria-moon-guard]

@Alamara-goldrinn

Considering what Blizzard is doing to some races (example: night elves getting toggle for leaves for each hair style, female and male draenei getting toggle for decoration for some hair styles, and so on), I think we will probably see:

• Toggle for tentacles for void elves
• Toggle for arcane energy for nightborne

Oh my god that would be so amazing

[Rialius-wyrmrest-accord (Rialius)]

He’s still typing.

[Elyssaria-kargath]

You and lovefool both… lol

[Renotarshil-malganis (Renotarshil)]

@Dekuleaf-emerald-dream

What’s the point of this?

I want some refreshed clarity and education into the subject matter. And when I try to think of the High elf Culture on the Alliance, I can’t really think of anything at all.

Has absolutely nothing to do with:

@Dekuleaf-emerald-dream

trying to aggravate people

[Orcnroll-illidan]

That is an Orc of culture, I agree.

[Velftroy-frostmourne]

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

High elves don’t belong to anyone as of yet, for they’re not actually playable at the very moment so let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

So with this logic, it’d be safe to ask for Ogres, Undead Rangers, San’layn, Taunka and Half-Ogres on the Alliance side? Because they’re not playable–they’re not a Horde thing, apparently.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Secondly there’s a difference between traditional High elves, and Alliance High elves. The Blood elves are the inheritors of the traditional high elven themes, and comprise of the majority of High elves we’ve played throughout the RTS games in the past.

Nobody is saying otherwise? We all know Blood Elves are the continuation of their society as a ‘people’. What we’re asking for is our High Elf themes, and some of them also include stuff from their old lives. Alleria and a few other High Elves are a good example of it. But those few themes that they share with Blood ELves happen to almost only be expanded upon in the Alliance side of things(Alleria is an example).

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Heck even Elisande points out that the behavior of the Alliance High elves are undeserving of the name High elf due to how much they’ve strayed from their ancestral roots, and is the focus of her criticism while addressing them.

This is true, but they haven’t outright abandoned it. Literally at that scenario you can see the High Elves using their old balistas. They have their own themes too now, which is just more reason for us to have them become a playable thing.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Secondly the players are defending visual themes of a race that have been playable on their faction for over a decade, this supersedes unplayable NPCS. You can’t tell people they’re being spiteful for defending themes they care about protecting.

They’re not though. The High ELves we’re asking have never belonged to the Horde, and they’ve been in the game since before Blood Elves were playable. Even if they were the same, it was in the Alliance first?

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Simply saying it’s flawed doesn’t make it so, especially when it’s supported and shared among many other players, most of which make up the opposition of the helf cause. Proof would have been simply giving you High elves, but they didn’t, at this point there are still visual blood elf themes unclaimed by the Void elf players, and this was likely a very intentional decision related to what Ion went over in that interview.

We didn’t just say it was flawed at the start. We’ve all argued about it for ages now, and we’ve posted our reasons as to why it didn’t really make sense. Even a big YouTuber said those reasons don’t add up, and I really doubt they care about any of this.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

These new options were merely a gesture of compromise where each side traded requested themes, which wouldn’t have happened if the community weren’t so vocal about their desire for blue eyes. But I don’t see that happening again, personally.

We’ll just have to wait and see Void Elves trample on the Blood Elf lore and aesthetic more than High Elves ever could. It’d make perfect sense for Void Elves to get green eyes now, that’s how closely related to the Sin’dorei they are.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

I mean it’s not like the devs have ever felt the need to tell the anti-crowd to please be respectful to others but that’s also not to say they don’t also have bad apples of their own. The helf crowd is certainly known in the forums for spamming and derailing threads, and generally being super reactive to anyone, and anything that doesn’t agree with them.

They’ve never specifically pointed out either side of our communities? AT least I don’t think they have.

This is exactly how a few people in both sides act, and it’s been this way forever. This isn’t exclusively a thing that only the Pros do.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Even WoWhead retaliated against the helf crowed when they started harassing one of the site developers for including blue eye customizations on the Blood elf page, and was seen posting things like “Blood elves are our High elves” and other lines mostly spoken by the anti community.

That same day the High Elf Discord was bombarded with Anti trolls. The WoWhead website also had heaps of Anti trolls on it, on the exact same post showing Blood Elves with blue eyes.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Even Keyboardturner (A dataminer) who is a helfer herself was swarmed upon for not agreeing with an idea within the helf group, to the point where she even took a break from her twitter.

Keyboardturner said that Anti trolls and Pro trolls were harassing her. SHe never said it was coming from the Pro crowd alone.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

This is a contrived thing to say, as it assumes that you’re in the right simply because you say so, which isn’t how this works. Both sides believe they’re right, and both sides could say they’ve refuted the arguments of the opposition, but let’s not start making self-proclamations on who is right, and who is wrong, over a generally subjective topic.

Ok, it was wrong of me to say that. But we’ve always been able to argue against your points. We have objectively good reasons for why we think they’d make a good addition as a playable race on the Alliance.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Antis do not pull strawmans any less than the Helf crowd does, and many of the things you use as evidence for your arguments rings false, and are subsequently called out on it. You can’t say “I’m right by default” and then without actually proving it, use the arguments against you as evidence that others are being unreasonable.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Again, this is a contrived response.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Antis do not pull strawmans any less than the Helf crowd does, and many of the things you use as evidence for your arguments rings false, and are subsequently called out on it.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

You can’t say “I’m right by default” and then without actually proving it, use the arguments against you as evidence that others are being unreasonable.

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

and many of the things you use as evidence for your arguments rings false

You called my argument contrived, but then you argue the exact same way as I did? This is just you saying you’re right by default. Where’s your evidence that many of the arguments I use ring false?

@Snowsong-fizzcrank

Except not as a playable race, which is the most important detail. Player races have priority over the presence of NPCS, especially if said NPCS are said to be physically identical, because then game balancing is involved. Races found on the other faction are often found on the other side, like Valeera for instance - this does not mean those races should be available to that faction of players.

Pandaren exist.

Valeera is an isolated case of a Horde or Alliance race being used on opposite factions, excluding High Elves and now Blood Elves(Telegrus Rift). NPCs have a presence, they represent the world and what it’s like. They’re important to the game and its lore.

High Elves were in WoW and on the Alliance before any Blood Elf ever thought about joining the Horde. SAying they’re just NPCs so it’s meaningless, is a strange argument. With that logic, what’s the point of asking for any races now? There’s nothing that parallels the High Elf situation on the Horde side. But if you guys had a group of Horde-aligned Dwarves that were in the game since Vanilla(Or something like that), I’d perfectly understand your reasons for wanting them, even though they’re with the Alliance and only playable on the Alliance side. IT wouldn’t be taking anything away from us, and it’d be giving you guys something you deserve.

@Starlagosa-dentarg

You have? You don’t have even 400 posts.

@Broflake-illidan

Stop using terms incorrectly.
Let alone high elf stuff isn’t alliance.

@Broflake-illidan

It belongs to the blood elves who have preserved such cultural identity and those themes.

Show me a single Horde NPC that better represents High Elven aesthetics and culture more than Alleria does.

I’m not replying to anything else in this thread. Snowsong actually put effort into her post, so I made an exception for her. Sorry y’all, but I don’t really want to do this anymore.

[Guzzle-barthilas]

That’s a tl;dr and a half dawg.

[Dekuleaf-emerald-dream]

@Renotarshil-malganis

I want some refreshed clarity and education into the subject matter. And when I try to think of the High elf Culture on the Alliance, I can’t really think of anything at all.

Has absolutely nothing to do with:

You responded to your own comment, sounds like mr is desperate for attention

V

@Renotarshil-malganis

@Renotarshil-malganis

What is the High Elf culture on the Alliance?

Since no one answered, I guess there isn’t any.

Like whyyyyy…
No one is required to acknowledge you.
I mean…I guess I did so are you happy?

[Rialius-wyrmrest-accord (Rialius)]

@Velftroy-frostmourne

So with this logic, it’d be safe to ask for Ogres, Undead Rangers, San’layn, Taunka and Half-Ogres on the Alliance side? Because they’re not playable–they’re not a Horde thing, apparently.

Sure if you want.