Everything they’ve done to ele this patch has been awful. Why change a single thing from last patch? There were no complaints. Instead they’re just ripping all the best parts out of our spec in pvp and pvp. WHY? In PvP it seems like they’re hard stuck trying to make us hard casting lightning shamans. Just stop, it’s not going to happen. That’s how you kill this spec. It literally needs to be able to run and throw instants. It doesn’t have the mobility or defensives needed to kite or face tank and hard cast. It’s just not going to happen. Seriously, easiest fix ever to ele, JUST. UNDO. EVERY. SINGLE. AWFUL. CHANGE. from this patch.
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Well I went Stormbringer and moved to balanced stats ranging from 20-25% each. High crit on nature spells through stats and talents. Almost 2mil tempest and 1.5mil LB and ES.
Definitely zeroing people out pretty quick…if I’m allowed to freecast of course.
I know it isn’t ideal but the cooldown reduction from storm conduit makes it pretty fun.
Going to see how far I can make it up the latter. 
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Nah I think it is ideal actually. I don’t think this guy ended up being right, the changes were solid but the bug made them look bad. I had a feeling there was no way these changes were a nerf, even before they came out he was telling me they’d be awful but when I tried mathing it out things didn’t add up. Ele does good damage now, stormbringer+lightning ele is really good rn as well. We get a lot of lighting bolts off, and I’m not even high haste yet but I plan to go high haste for sure.
Like this was just not correct information. A big portion of our damage did come from initial hits. Earth shock hitting for 2.5+mil last season is how we killed people, the overloads added to it, usually 300-400k or 600-800k if you got 2, but it did not make up for most of the damage we did. Also, adding more damage to the initial hits reduces rng like they said so we do more damage up front rather than hoping for overloads. Adding up my damage from last season, initial hits made up a significant portion of it, overloads were 35ish% of my damage with high mastery.
Still a lot to test, but it’s looking good.
There are like 5 real Elemental mains on this board, the rest are rerollers.
Been Ele main since they came available to alliance. Lots of suffering
Lol this isn’t correct information. Stormbringer relies heavily on Overloads and Lightning Rod to do damage. Each Lightning Bolt can overload, in the Hero tree Supercharge, Surge of Power gives you an Overload after ES, Power of the Maelstrom can give you an overload after Lava Burst, and if you charge Stormkeeper you get an additional overload.
Regular Lightning Bolts can overload 4 times Stormkeeper Lightning Bolts 5 times. Each Overload gets an additional 10%/15% damage in PvP from Lightning Rod. If the initial Lightning Bolt is bigger, but all of the overloads are smaller this is a HUGE NERF. I did the math in the post Math is Hard. Having played Stormbringer all of S1 my damage is way down and my burst is way down. Ele in PvP is dead we are already last in damage specs for players over 2200 in a couple weeks we will still be last.
Hell I have been playing Lightning Bolts in PvP since DH and Ret could cleanse our FS in DragonFlight. I was rolling Volanic Surge back then.
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Wasn’t talking about Stormbringer specifically, was talking about Ele shaman last season and where a significant portion of our damage came from, which was initial hits. Earth shock hits (esp during prim wave windows where we generated a lot of maelstrom) is where we got our kills. We didn’t play Stormbringer last season, we played Farseer.
You can also play Farseer right now, you dont have to play Stormbringer, both are very close since Farseer has ele CDR and a big buff to Earth Shock+small buff to Lava Burst. Just that Stormbringer is now viable to play and pretty good, but both are working well and you cast Lightning bolt in both builds too now. Ele is likely A tier/low A tier currently, it is much better than before and definitely not dead, could maybe use another small buff but overall it is definitely better. Can feel free to ask r1 ele shams if you want instead of me though.
Better in PvP / arena seems like a wild claim. I’m not great but honestly I’ve been getting focused on solo shuffle every time and ending with bottom damage every round. Aside from the fact that this spec has become at least 80% more boring than it was a couple weeks ago.
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It isn’t a “wild” claim, you can check out ozzy or saul and see their thoughts, both rank 1s. Ozzy has been an ele main forever, they know the spec better than anyone here in pvp, including myself if you dont think I am right.
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No, they don’t. Just because they are good players doesn’t make them experts in how the spec plays. In professional sports there are plenty of brilliant minds coaching teams and they can’t play very well. Just because I can’t play the game as well as they do doesn’t mean I don’t understand the game as well or better than they do. Statistics don’t lie Ele is way down in the rankings. Very under represented above 2200. Ele had much better ranking statistics before the 11.1 
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Statistics are not updated for changes that just happened though, like its been 4 days, 3 if you dont count the day we were bugged with an accidental nerf. However yeah I also do not think they will come close to later 11.0 stats either. I am not saying ele is as good as before, did not say that at all, only that it is better than it was last week and the changes were not a nerf like you stated, they are a buff, my damage went up by an okay amt and so did most eles that are playing currently, but not by enough imo. I dont think it is even top 3 casters atm, mage lock spriest are all better and by quite a bit. It also has far worse mobility than most casters aside from spriest, but we don’t have spriest levels of defensiveness so it’s more difficult for ele to kite melee.
I think ele still needs more help to be very clear and I also think prim wave needs to be reverted to 11.0 version. Ele is still more boring, I agree with that, and it is worse than 11.0 still, agree with that.
So we went from hot garbage to just garbage Great! And yes they are nerfs I have already done the math. They are big nerfs to Lighting Bolt builds that rely on overloads. The changes make overload talents basically useless. Stormbringer overloads during Ascendance use to hit hard and now they don’t, our burst is non existent. If you don’t play the overload talents such as Surge of Power or Power of the Maelstrom you will see a nerf with Lightning Rod.
You use to be able to use PW to get a Power of the Maelstrom proc with all of the Lava Burst and generate enough Maelstrom for an Earth Shock. Then you could charge Stormkeeper, proc Ascendance, and cast a Lightning Bolt with guaranteed 3 overloads possible 5 with Supercharge and Mastery. In PvP all overloads would get an additional 15% from Charged Conduit. The PW change resonates throughout our entire tree removing any synergy between talents and the nerf to overload damage makes overload related talents useless. Ele will be at the bottom of all rankings in PvP, it is currently a headache to play no fun, and those who do have success with it will be few and far between.
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Well, ele is officially back. Doing fantastic damage right now, survivability feels quite good too.
Yeah Pwave hitting almost as hard as tempest in PvP….
I wish people would clarify when they are having a PVP specific issue.
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Yet to play well you must understand the game. Because being a good player doesn’t mean how fast you press buttons