Maybe in the 10-19 bracket. But quests are dropping some pretty sweet upgraded gear now. I would be surprised now if people at the 39+ brackets were being out geared by heirlooms.
Where do you think the new players start? They do one BG in the 19s (with or without twinks) and if they judge it on that, likely won’t step foot in them again.
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Look we can do this all day. Just copy and paste someones elses argument, we are probably going along the same lines. Things are better now for levelers, not worse or even the same. But better. Do team imbalances still happen? Yes. Does GY farming still happen? Yes, getting twinks out of the que was a step in the right direction, and there’s still a lot of steps that need to happen. But in what ever order you tackle the list of issues for low level BG’s, it doesn’t change the fact that Twinks were still an issue.
The majority of WoW is against twinks, and clearly so is Blizzard. So you’re gonna need a whole lot better of a defense than “Everyone else is just lazy”
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Nope. I’m still sticking to that. We all know Blizzard takes the easier route, rather than trying to keep everyone included.
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Then what’s the point?
Guess there isn’t one.
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There is
‘Lazy’
I find it ironic that the same people who call new players “lazy” for not gearing up their new characters are the same people who admit that they don’t gear up their mains.
Some people just don’t know all the variables associated. They think everything is black/white.
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I never thought of it that way lol.
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I see it quite often. The excuse of “120 is too complicated” is apparently a good excuse for not gearing up your main, but “that piece of gear isn’t feasible for me” isn’t. Double standards are cool, I guess.
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If you read the forums much, you see a lot of people calling other people who have worked harder and longer than them “lazy”.
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No more ironic than honor level 1s weighing in on PvP.
I think players who show up with missing slots or outdated gear are lazy. They show up in noncompetitive gear and expect to be competitive.
And my mains ilvl is higher than yours so I’m not sure how that fits into this theory.
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Ok? Barely. Also why are you quoting me on this one? The other dude said it. If we want to turn this into a pissing contest I would eat your priest. Like literally eat it.
Some people jump into conversations for no other reason than to piggyback off someone else and try to create a problem where there was no problem to begin with.
I don’t respond to the troll and you agreed with him so I responded to you.
Did I hurt your feelings?
But you like his posts. How is that any different? o_O
Ok fine, we can go the feelings route too. I agree’d with him, because I have seen the argument from MANY twinks on the forums saying things along the lines of “I don’t have the time to be competitive and geared at max level.” I know you’ve seen these arguments too. Congrats, you’re not one of these people. So stop getting emotionally invested in scenarios where you are the exception.
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Because I pointed out that not everyone who thinks players who invest no time in their characters are lazy and I have spent time on my main? Just because some players feel that way about max level, doesn’t mean everyone does.
As for emotionally invested, you seemed to take my comment too personally. 
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I knew I should post more emoji’s when I typed.
Talking business? Let’s do it.
Twinks have a ton of reasons to twink. Here is an example.
A lot of twinks are loyal customers of WoW since vanilla. A lot of them don’t like the new endgame pvp or prefer the endgame pvp/ gear (lookin at you legion) of a different expansion better so they want to stay there on a toon or two.
Most of these people have maxed toons and play on those as well.
From a business standpoint these are some of the most profitable players in your base. They have kept their sub up the longest or come back and sub often. Money sub and not farmed out tokens.
They don’t make gold by living in BGs so they tend to buy tokens to supplement. They need to buy a lot into the AH. Enchants/pots/weapon oils/foods/Some BiS items.
They pay for race changes and transfers to other servers to be more competitive or to play with new communities and friends they have found. They tend to race change and switch faction sides a lot more often.
Even if they were not a healthy support for the system. You do not alienate loyal player base in favor of only fresh blood because relying strictly on fresh blood is how you kill your game.
Fresh blood is fickle. Fresh blood wants everything free to play. Fresh blood doesn’t like your old style and wont play your game unless it plays like ‘other game they like’ or plays quickly because ‘old content is no fun’
Fresh blood wants everything to be fast as possible so that they are 120 in a week and unsub from lack of content or from being stomped from not learning how the content of the game works. 120 gear does not come as easily as 120 itself.
They are not always hooked and addicted because there are so many other games to play these days. They don’t meet people in that time to have fun with and stay because everything is soloed. That’s what some of them say they want.
Fresh blood only wants PVE because PVP is too competitive. BGs should be easy because they have been taught BGs are just another way of leveling.
Alienating your long term player base for new ones is how you almost lose your game. Look to: Cata. Where subs began dropping
Look to WoD. Where subs REALLY started dropping.
Both either overlooked old content and got rid of it.
Or overlooked a loyal player base and paid for it.
A good business knows balances. You love your loyal base because they pay your bills. You pander to new base because they are needed. You do not prefer one to the other.
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