Breath is a lil bit more difficult to play well so it being the higher dps build rather than “me hit oblit” is fine imo. If you stuff up a breath window it’s quite punishing.
If you ask a BoS player what’s wrong with Frost DKs, they’ll tell you it’s Obliteration. If you ask an Obliteration player what’s wrong with Frost DKs, they’ll describe Obliteration, but say it’s because of BoS.
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I prefer DW for PvP but I will never play breath again and strongly believe it doesn’t need to be nerfed but completely removed. I already enjoy the same mechanic, done much better, on my shadow priest
DKs were never designed to be played with small swords lol
DKs were always big F sword class
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They were designed to DW. It’s been proven because the devs said they designed Frost to be DW.
Why you guys hate reality, who knows
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Pretty sure its a lot more than 1-3%. If it was only 1-3% a lot more people would play 2h Frost. I mean IMO 2h Frost is basically old school MS Warrior. It plays very similar feel wise.
Nope, they are the figures people are reporting from sims.
Anecdotally I play 2h riders and have out dps’d every “meta” dw fDK I have grouped with, despite being lower ilvl too. So the dps gap is small enough that skill can easily override the difference.
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That’s awesome, 2h Frost has been one of my favorite specs, but I just came back and was looking at what was beings said and noticed 2h was not even being simmed at all, so I thought it must be way lower and not even worth mentioning.
No need to nerf anything, just make shattered blade/frost a better option.
My suggestion has always been to change shattered frost to increase the max stack of razorice from 5 to like 8, and make shattered blade consume up to that amount.
Aside that frost dk is pretty fun, but I can’t say the rework went as I would have liked, the early iterations of frost on the PTR were frankly more fun.
The one we have right now while still good is basically a downgraded version.
I have to ask, have you tried this at higher ilvls? I mean, your ilvl is sub 570. Most people doing Heroic is more in the 600+ range, that can make a big difference in a spec’s capability. BTW do you suggest Raider or Deathbringer for 2h Frost? I don’t know much about Frost since the last time I played Frost was probably Legion.
You might have been looking at my PVP gear. My pve gear is 605. I play riders for 2h.
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Ah, that makes a lot more sense, thanks for not taking offense as none was meant. I have been giving it a try so far and it at least still seems enjoyable. Which is more than I can say for may of the specs I have tried playing so far. Not at all as easy as some people say, and that’s a good thing.
What sucks is almost every 2h guild or video is very old and dated, and for some reason I can’t get Simcraft to even run anymore. I don’t know what’s up with that as I use to use it just fine back in Shadowlands. Now I can’t get the thing to even open something about resting my GUI and keeps crashing. Which only leaves raid bots and I can’t find anything about priority list on Raidbots. This is what happens when the game loses most of it’s player base, all the tools people use to put time into, well they don’t, because there is not enough people to care.
30s breath really isnt that bad to play. You even get to play normal obliteration while its on CD now.
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The OG devs didn’t designed DKs to be DW, this is new devs mentality, i follow the OG Warcraft lore and in the OG Warcraft lore DKs are literally a big sword class.
Not a small sword class. Those are Rogues.
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source on this pls
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Yes, the OG devs said that they wanted DW to be a part of the DK but they had to be smart about it or it would take over the entire class which they didn’t want. This has already been proven though interviews that they had back in Wrath and Cata you are just late to the party.
Not to mention the OG devs said that Frost was DW.
And no you don’t follow the OG lore.
I think the class design in it’s original iteration is self explanatory to this fact.
Sorry, perhaps you lack reading comprehension. First off, logs hold little weight when during most encounters one dps player gets a major damage amp from Power infusion and absolutely dominates the meters till the end of the encounter assuming they live and it’s a clean boss kill.
Secondly, I don’t have to be the top 1% of parsers to know the class, know what’s missing and understand what the community has expressed very clearly what they feel the class needs to feel solid. Gear gaps often time make that difference and some people play a single class the entire time, they have tons of gold to throw at best crafted items and that gives them the utmost advantage in content. I’m not that guy.
My opinion on the class changes holds water better than the weird argumentative vitriol and hatred I’ve seen from you and Kelliste. Now, as i said before, you both need to roll in the grass, not so much as just touch it. Quiet down you limpets.
Haha, hatred? Dude have you seen your posts? What goofy juice are you huffing to not see your behavior on these forums for what it is? How many insults have you thrown around and you want to act like others are the issue?
You are the bully. I mean the very post you are claiming others are the issue in you are literally insulting others.
So nerves of cold steel existed at launch during the time of the “OG devs”. Doubled down when Threat of Thassarian was added. And even a quest in the dk starting zone that made you equip 2 one handed weapons. Seems pretty obvious they had dual wielding as part of the class.