Nerf all dps self heals by 50%

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I’m saying previous designs were better. Pure dps classes ideally shouldn’t be able to heal themselves to full, no.

Second wind does suck right now. I’d go as far as to say warrior isn’t designed well in terms of fun.

My main point, outside of class specific design, is pure dps have no business healing for significant amounts. Defensives should be that, defensive. not healing. Mitigation. Parry. Minor healing such as previous fury / arms design. or counterpressure. Not just chunking hp to full while the healer is in cc.

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Alright saved i agree with you brother.

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if warrior had half its old toolkit now it woudln’t need such extreme cooldowns. this probably applies to most classes honestly.

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what if we just pruned every cooldown in the game then made every baseline rotational ability super meaningful and contribute significantly to the movement of health bars then added cooldowns that only supplement the already masterfully crafted design of each class’s baseline

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Disc was the healer for fast games but people complained. Now people are upset that games are too long

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basically if you play ret braindead then a warrior can outheal you

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This. Balance Druids should have stronger healing than feral in my opinion. We’re casters… and we have to cast. Feral’s get constant free instant self heals lol. I like feral too so, sorry fellow Druids but I’m just saying, wasting 7-8 seconds and my whole mana bar for 40-50% of my hp free casting sucks since we have no other defensives besides skin :/.

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Yea but they are a hero class dude… duh. Hero classes are more powerful than other classes don’t you know that?

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Remove all self-healing from all dps classes except hybrids. Give hybrids more utility and decent off healing ability, but reduce their damage. Unprune a bunch of old abilities. Make azeroth great again.

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No class should be a passive live lord.
What the eff is a destro these days.

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Self healing is stupid, has been for years, and gets worse (stronger) every expansion.

Healers heal.

DPS get torn up, and someone else heals them.

Do it.

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thats a first someone complaining about feral self healing. *the free heal is due to combo point spending, it’s our rotation for the most part. and it’s pretty small comparatively

if you’re getting trained ( which is pretty uncommon not to focus the feral ) and need healing, you’re not generating combo points since you’ll be in bearform most of the game. so that *free heal is out the window

offhealing is a completely different topic then livelord passive healing

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Before they touch self healing they should 100000% remove all PvE procs from PvP. Pretty simple. At that point I think it would come down to a case by case scenario.

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Please don’t make me laugh. You have bop, bubble, retaliation, another bubble that explodes after it absorbs dmg, lay in hands, word of glory per say and flash of light. Warriors have enraged regen and lol they have to get a talent so when you charge they heal for more, and bloodthirst heals when they hit with it. Oh and that’s fury lol, let’s not talk about arms. So I know you’re not complaining…

YOU WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME? Ok… let’s play. I’m an enhancement shaman… I have an ability that reduces my dmg by 40% for 6 sec and that’s it. I took off healing surge from my bar since it heals for 10k. It uses my mana as well as my dps resource so even after instant casting 4 using all my dps resource I can’t xontinue spamming because no mana. What are you complaining about? Because that’s all I have… my dmg sucks compared to you, I have same mobility as you with 1 hand of freedom except no horse, I have 1 stun you can move away from and my survival sucks. please complain more.

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Fury’s weakness used to be taking extra damage in exchange for damage increase + self healing. Now thanks to warpaint, enrage reduces damage taken.

Furys issue is it has too many passives baked into a simple dps rotation that doesn’t even have a need for resource management. The current iteration of fury is more braindead than legion frost dk, it shouldn’t be viable in rated PvP.

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I just don’t want to have to off my heal from my bars to have an extra keybind because is worthless when an un dk can heal more than 4 enh combined. Is disgusting and e wry enh shaman should feel the same.

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You’re 100% correct enhance needs fixed. It’s been in a bad place for a while. With that said I think everyone can agree that active mitigation is far better then passive. On paper ret sounds amazing but my SV hunter honestly feels far better when it comes to surviving.

BoP is typically instantly dispelled vs any competent player with one. Shield of vengeance is awesome. I love that it’s not purely defensive, it creates interesting game play. If a ret goes all in with vengeance and wings and doesn’t land a kill they leave themselves wide open to get killed fairly easily. The game needs more abilities like shield of vengeance. What it needs less of is passive stuff like leech or impassive visage. It needs less baked into the classes normal rotation like blur. It needs % health abilities removed from the game.

Everyone is complaining about a slow meta, but continue to complain classes have high burst. It completely blows my mind. It can’t be both. PvE gear procs need to be disabled in PvP. Passive mitigation and healing needs to be removed and replaced with active mitigation. The game would be 100% better.

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At least you have something for others to dispel dude… we got nothing. We were made into a Lamborghini veneno and given the capabilities to refuel others on the go (tremor totem and grounding totem) and we are being told we are ok because we bring utility. We are being told not to race (dps) but instead to refuel others (support)

Who the hell told them to give us the utility to refuel others in a really really fast car? You get it? Is like buying a sports motorcycle and telling me to not go above 40 mph… either way, we are in a bad place in a subscription based mmo that can’t get balance right after 16 years. Stupidest issue I have ever seen in my entire life. Is not hard to balance, we are at the bottom… inc healing by 10% weekly and test. WE HAD A PTR FFS… don’t even go there.

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Then you have people tell you to go ele. I get it. I quit my hunter in 8.1. Nothing about it felt good to play. I flipped a coin on ret or DH. I lost twice :joy:

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I play ele on epic bgs because you have to be a masochist to jump into a large scale aoe fight with a melee. I pve and wpvp/bg as enh. I want to give up but I’m one of those ppl that won’t. Still is the most awful feeling ever. I mained a ret since vanilla beta… I quit in mop. I realized ret pally were the same… start strong and gradually gets nerfed to nothingness.