This might as well be canon in WoW, too.
So what you’re saying is that she’s doing exactly what she’s suppose to be doing, what she’s always been doing. Gotcha. Where’s the “ruining her character” part come in then?
The constant painting of her being in the wrong for wanting to take back her people’s own land and see the genocidal monster faction be served justice for burning thousands of innocents alive
Bollocks. If you’re one step away from hating the person you love. You have a sick definition of love.
You don’t think the left over NE’s from Darn could retake all of Dire Maul?
Makes it kind of like a Star Trek TOS/TNG episode, doesn’t it?
Mood. This is the first expansion that I won’t have purchased, and I’ve been here since original launch. BFA absolutely, outright, and with no wiggle room, destroyed this game’s story for me, and the Horde as well.
I’ll stick around for RP with friends, but Blizzard won’t be getting a new purchase out of me for a long, long time. They blew their shot; it’s been getting worse and worse in game every year.
It is possible to pursue a just cause and be totally wrong about how you pursue it.
That’s how a certain blonde blue-eyed Prince wound up becoming The Lich King.
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Thinking about the Nuremberg trials after WWII (if you’ll permit me this comparison), the Allies wanted to prevent a let’s go club every German who ever fought in the war, just for the sake of revenge kind of a situation, and that’s why they went after officers, and any individuals they could prove committed actual war crimes.
Now, we’re in a fantasy universe, but we’ve seen that same approach before anyways.
Garrosh got put on trial. But guess what happened: he escaped. No justice; no meaningful resolution. What about all the generals and soldiers who took part in Garrosh’s rampage across Azeroth? What about all the civilians slain by the Horde? The Horde got off the hook completely (and while some will argue losing their warchief counts as a loss, it’s not an adequate punishment).
We saw so many instances in the Cata-MoP war of atrocities being committed, but nothing compares to BFA’s Blood War. The Horde literally wiped out a civilian population center. Wholesale.
And that, to be clear, wasn’t exclusively on Sylvanas either; she gave the order for sure, but look who followed it. Did we see a revolt or coup as a result of Teldrassil? NOPE. One Orc complained. One.
The Horde was aggressively in favor of her actions. Shamans even drew up winds to fuel the flames; soldiers manned the catapults; and other soldiers continued to round up survivors in Darkshore. Blizzard was even going to put the Kaldorei in death camps originally. The intent, every step of the way, was to inflict as much suffering upon the Kaldorei as was possible.
The precedent has been well established that the Alliance will never get justice for anything, and therefore Tyrande is wholly justified in whatever actions she takes; there isn’t anything too far, or too wrong, because she’s literally the only person right now who is actively trying to avenge the dead/get justice in any manner.
Anduin literally sold out the Alliance to the same fate it’s suffered before, time and time again; betrayal, genocide, and outright destruction at the hands of the Horde.
Yes, maybe the writers won’t write that same bloody story again, but characters in the universe don’t know that. All they have is a well documented history of this routine.
TL;DR: Tyrande is justified. It is possible to pursue a just cause and be wrong about how you pursue it, but not in this case.
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My faith in humbos has been slightly improved. You sir are a diamond in a sea of coal.
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It doesn’t matter if she is justified or not. Blizzard wants to send the message that justice is bad and genocide is good, that’s why Tyrande will be killed off and Sylvanas redeemed.
Pretty much. I never said that this wasn’t there intentions though, to be fair. I’m talking about sensible narrative sequencing, not the dumpster fire approach Blizz takes.
i would like to know why exactly anduin trust the horde into this point?
Did he had life experiences with them?
Does he know horde leaders?
he hasn’t heard what they did at theramore? what they did to jaina?
What they did in gilneas?
in teldrassil?
Baine is supposed to represent the horde? who the hell knows.
A crap load of people keep making this claim without anything to justify it.
How did Anduin “sell out the Alliance?” By not going on a suicidal rampage against a now reunited Horde? If Anduiin plus Saurfang were barely able to stand up to what Sylvannas had in Orgrimmar, what makes you think that he could suddenly go all Varian on the Horde consisting of both Saurfang’s forces and those that were once on Sylvannas’ side right then and there now that they are united?
There is no peace treaty with the Horde, just an armistice, and some folks should educate themselves on the differences.
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And once again, you and many other nelf fans will stay subscribed and complain, so what is blizzard missing out on?
Except she wasn’t painted wrong? She successfully had Darkshore reclaimed, and supposedly even reassembled the Night Elves on Mount Hyjal. All we’re really missing confirmation on is Ashenvale, too.
Tyrande is still justified, yes, except she isn’t calling for anything to be done for the Horde. People posting here are not Tyrande. Tyrande so far will only be calling for Sylvanas’ head. She hasn’t even called for anything to be done to the Horde as a whole.
In that sense, Dakore isn’t even presenting Tyrande correctly, as just because Tyrande is aggressive doesn’t mean she’s heading towards anything meaner than what she has been before.
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He’s putting blind trust in a sworn enemy that has, time and time again, backstabbed and butchered Alliance forces, and civilians. If you exclude your knowledge of the Meta, what reason do we have to believe the Horde won’t do the exact same thing a third or fourth time, depending on how you count?
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He’s signing an armistice without any sign of reparations, repercussions, or any notable trial or court to hold perpetrators of war crimes accountable (of which there would be many). Maybe it’s off screen, who knows, but so far there has been nothing. What’s the point of an armistice if the goal isn’t peace in the end, anyways?
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He outright aided and abetted one of the two master minds of the Teldrassil genocide, enabling him to escape custody.
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He has, on many occasions, been known to fraternize with the Horde. Who is to say that characters shouldn’t presume the worst when someone such as he goes out of his way to help the Horde during a time of war?
Also correct, because Blizzard will never, in a thousand years, give the Kaldorei anything substantial in game except loss and suffering. That’s just how it has been and will be.
Night Elves are relegated to neutral faction NPCs, or punching bags.
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So far it’s just Tyrande being Tyrande only angrier. The only thing she’s done so far is to refuse to sign any peace treaty until Sylvanas has been brought to Justice, as Amadis stated.
Is there anything wrong with this in itself? Not necessarily. She would be wrong if she refused to agree to a chance at peace and stop the killing just for the sake of vengeance. I wouldn’t worry though. Blizzard hasn’t the spine anymore to take Alliance characters down that road.
Well, incase you haven’t been paying attention, the Horde’s just shrugged off the last of its warmongering genocidal leaders leaving those who are willing to work with the Alliance.
A stop to the killing and sending your peoples to get killed sounds like a pretty good win. Peoples just angry that they have this unsatisfied sense of revenge. Pfft. Small potatoes compared to all the lives being saved. Plus they have larger worries with N’Zoth being free.
Also wrong. Saurfang’s goal was to capture and secure Teldrassil and night elf lands. The massacre that happened was all Sylvanas.
Alliance complaining about Alliance characters fraternizing with Horde.
Horde complaining about Horde characters being pets for Anduin.
In the middle, the truth that there are reasonable peoples who want to end the war and see Sylvanas brought to justice.
Except for the part about Sylvanas being captured, so far things are off to a good start.
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Same response to you as I have responded to Ëlësåna before in post 605 here: Night Elf Player Hate - #605 by Amadis-draka.
Oi. It’s like a competition to see who has the most hyperbolic view of Blizzard in the opposite direction.
Pretty much any Horde character could suddenly become genocidal. Horde characters tend to not be written in a way that’s coherent or consistent. The fact that they were all complicit in attempted genocide in BfA just makes it even easier for the writing team to go back and say it was because those characters liked it or didn’t care.
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