Need more faction conflict

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

@Departuros-tichondrius

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

That’s all only applicable if the conflicts are new. Going back to the same old hatreds is exactly that, old. We’ve moved on beyond those conflicts.

It cannot grow old if it is always fueled with new storyelements. And as far as that is concerned, it’s potential is far from used. But I would agree with you nonetheless if they had brought the faction war with BFA to an authentic end. (but they didn’t)

What new story elements could arise? “The [opposing faction] found a new [thing] that stands to [undesirable outcome] everything that [our faction] [loves/hates]. We have to [action] the [thing] before the [opposing faction] [does/can use it/destroys it].”

That’s the entirety of the faction conflict in that sentence right there. Done and dusted.

@Departuros-tichondrius

It’s problematic. As soon as the faction conflict is over, warcrafts story is told. Everything that comes after that tastes as interesting as a stretched soup.

It is the World of Warcraft. The events of WarCraft happen in that world, but there should be possibilities outside of the factions and the factions shouldn’t even necessarily be the center stage players.

Again, it would have been far healthier for the game to not only not be forced into a faction based on character creation but also to have both factions, the Horde and Alliance, be these unknowable, almost eldritch entities with how massive and distant they are from the common adventurer that pluck away lives to serve in some unstoppable war machine that grinds people to dust no matter their race. We adventure around them, not for them.

@Departuros-tichondrius

@Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast

Have a BG where two rogue elements of the Alliance and Horde decide to settle an old score, but it shouldn’t be the focus or even a heavy element of the game’s overall narrative.

I don’t agree with the rogue part, however it should be more a thing in the background, yes. In any case, some kind of cold war / neutral distance is preferable to having a tea party together like now in df. Being not in war because it’s devastating is one thing, but it makes no sense to do this with the people who slaughtered your familiy/friends some years before.

Resentment can absolutely boil, but that’s why they would be rogue elements. The official Alliance/Horde stance is that hostilities have ceased, end of discussion. If you want to buck that and go settle old scores, you do so without the support or approval of your faction.