Up front, I dont know what Im doing wrong, or right. lol. Ive read as much as I can on this and I cant figure out why my 80 Fire mage ( GS 4987 PVE/ GS 5095 PVP) tops out at like 2.8k dps. I use the max rank spells and make sure those are the ones on my bars, I have decent gear thats mostly raid drops. I use hekili to aid me in which attacks I use in what order. (Living Bomb, then Flamestrike, then spam fireball). Ive got the recomended talent tree from wowhead for fire mage, and the glyphs too. I use all available buffs (Arcane Int, Fire one, Molten Armor, Fish feast, wyrm flask). but all I can seem to get is roughly 1k on average for regular spells that hit, and will crit around 2k to 3k. Been informed recently there is some talent that I need to look for that I use my fireblast with when it appears. Its news to me so I havent seen it yet. Ive read as much as I can to understand mage and I just dont get it. Windseeker server for anyone willing to reach out in game. Joruuscbaoth. I have only run Uld like twice all the way to the end everyone gets too tired to go further than Freya. Ive run the Tournament dungeon a couple times, and same for the tournament raid. I havent run the new one yet other than a single rep trash run. But regardless Im seeing other mages tell me they dps around 8 to 15k and they see crits on their fireblast for as much as 20k. Thats more hp than I have total.
I expect there will be the toxic part of the community that will want to pile on and tell me to get gud or google or just clown on me in general. Please, just move along if thats all youve got to say. Im at a legit unknown barrier as to why Im doing such low dmg.
LMAO pyroblast. Not fire blast. Living bomb pop CDs and fireball spam unless pyroblast procs then you use that. Can use fire blast to proc hot streak (pyroblast) when moving.also don’t reapply living bomb until after it explodes. There you just learned fire mage. Formerly of windseeker and didn’t you live in trade chat on your paly since tbc? Couldn’t ask them?
I dont know most attacks by heart as I have memory issues retaining such minutia. Whats the difference between fireblast and pyroblast? and pop cds? do you mean my mirror image? and I know not to reapply living bomb til it goes boom. I dont have a pally. And I dont live in trade chat, tho it is less strict than lfg is now… cant send a message within a minute of the last one. so its super difficult to discuss these issues in chat in game with all the restrictions, and the toxic folk that only want alphabet soup posts in their lfg channel.
Whats that about when moving? I didnt follow what that sentence was saying.
Scorch up? Are you saying it has a thingy like arcane blast does? (lil square that as long as I have it my blasts get stronger and stronger?)
sorry but Ive only been playing my mage since 2019 and with as much homework wow has just to be able to play the game at all and reach end levels Im still learning most things about the game and class still. Mightve been able to learn more in the past if it werent for the people calling me a troll for asking questions in game I cant find on my own via wowhead/google.
Pyroblast is your big nuke. When you get hot streak its an instant cast and you need to hit it asap.
Fireblast is a small instant damage button. Press it when you have to move for mechanics.
Improved scorch puts a 5% (i think its 5) crit debuff on the boss. Cast every 30 seconds if there is no warlock or shadow priest present.
CD’s would be mirror images, combustion, icy veins (if talented), and any on use trinkets and potions.
There is a sequence aka your opener on how you start the fight using those cd’s but its been a while so youll have to check out a guide or wait for someone more knowledgeable to chime in.
People can log WoW combat and upload the result to Warcraft Logs. It allows people to analyze in depth what went on.
Here’s one where you were in TOC 2 months ago, on the Twin Val’kyr encounter: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LMFPpvxJc6X3BT7t#fight=9&type=casts&source=7&view=events
You may have fixed some issues since then, but maybe not. From a very quick glance, here’s what I see. However, keep in mind that I don’t play Mage at all, so my knowledge is fairly lacking.
You cast Living Bomb at 6, 16, 26, 27, 32, and 33 seconds into the fight. All of these (except the 1st cast) ended up refreshing the previous cast, eliminating the explosion at the end that’s the largest part of Living Bomb’s damage. You must let Living Bomb expire before you refresh it.
You Scorch far too often. As others have said, cast it once every 30 seconds to keep the 5% crit debuff active. You cast it 6 times in the first 30 seconds.
Fire Blast is only used when moving, because it can be cast while moving but it does much less damage than the spells for which you have to stand still.
You’re not using your Hot Streak procs consistently. This allows you to launch an instant Pyroblast. You gain one at 10 seconds in, and it fades due to duration expiration at 20 seconds. When you get one, finish your active cast, then launch a Pyroblast.
Thanks for all the info, tho I dunno where that combat you reference was as I dont recall anything from that long ago.
So what should I be doing attack sequence wise without regard to anything special I need to be keeping a third eye focused on to change it up? Living Bomb, Flamestrike (9 and 8 Im told because I can put 2 different dots from them on same target, idk honestly), Firesomething endlessly til living bomb is back up again? (That rotation is what the hekili addon is telling me to do in general, I feel its better at telling me how to shadow priest than it is at telling me how to firemage imo. But I lack any knowledge as to what I ought to be doing otherwise.
Shorter version: Im trying to get a simple 1,2,3,4,5 that I can always be going thru with my attacks so that Im always doing them in the right order for the optimal damage. What do I put in 1,2,3,4,5? (targets are anything from a Boar to Arthas to PVP)
Like I said all the firespells all look alike and read alike so its like telling the difference between all the Wayans family members using only their names lol. Theres so many of them! Who can possibly remember them all?! I know theres barely any instant casts, they are all horribly slow casting compared to frost spec and arcane spec that I have been before.
Yeah i use the Mirror image when in a boss fight, but I always have combustion up as soon as its available at all times. I dont have any trinkets that are on use outside the movement impairment solution one, medallion of the Horde I think? my other one just gives me equip bonuses but no on use abilities. I tend to save my one potion per fight for when I think Im not gonna get healed in time by healer or they are down/out somehow. occasionally Ill need the mana pot and not hp pot as it take forever to regain the mana regen spell and the gems take forever to cooldown to let me use again. I tend to go oom after every pull of mobs in raid or dungeon, so Im always eating my mana biscuits the moment combat is over… but tanks always gotta pull the moment im oom… one of many reasons i despise dungeons and favor raids instead.
Not sure what my hit cap is honestly, and why does scorch matter if there is a lock or priest around or not?
In PVP since I cant really do much damage at all and I am such a fragile piece of cloth glass, I tend to just keep my distance and either man a vehicle or just spam spellsteal endlessly to allow the unsuspecting whatever that is dominating the 3 or 10 people attacking them suddenly go “whered all my buffs go? why am I dying?! ahhh!” and get my HKs that way lol. Since going full on offensive with my spells hardly ever makes a dent in anyone at all no matter the armor type or class.
Scorch and Improved Shadow Bolt (Warlocks) both apply a shared 5% increased crit chance debuff for 30 seconds on the target.
Warlocks apply this debuff passively through their standard rotation as Affliction and Demonology both regularly cast Shadow Bolt.
However Scorch from Fire Mages is a very low value damage spell and should generally only be used for the Crit debuff once every 30 seconds if an Affliction/Demonology Warlock is not present.
Unless I’m missing something Shadow Priests don’t apply this debuff, so you can forget them as part of that.
No? Why does everyone assume that? I dont know these things. I just know to hit the spells that do dmg. Ive read a bunch on the game but theres just soooooo much to learn I cant remember most of what Ive read let alone all of it.
Ill forgive you for you dont know the troubles I go thru with my condition. I do not generate memories the way you do, it is not such an easy process for me. I can work side by side with you every day, commute to and from work in the same vehicle everyday, for 6 months, and I wont remember your name til roughly 6 months into knowing you and the constant repetition that whole time to get it to stick.
more casual and less important memories are much harder to make and get them to stick around.
Yall can rattle off the spells and what they do like its the multiplication table recitals. Those are something Ive never been able to memorize either, so unless its unique or super simple like spellsteal is or Blizzard/flamestrike are… most spells are just a blank square in my mind of my action bars. Their icon is hard enough to remember what they do, and all the fire ones are so similar in action and in naming, they all are the same to me so I genuinely cant tell you which is which and what they are named. let alone what any of them do. its why i rely on Hekili addon.
Wouldnt I want both debuffs to be on the target? if they both share a similar debuff amount why not combine the two? Or am i missing something in that explanation that makes that not possible or not ideal?
ah, I didnt know that meant that. This is the more advanced side of the game Im still being made aware of. To give an idea of how little I knew how toplay the game, from Vanilla all the way to Mists of Pandaria, I didnt know my spells on my bars had to be updated manually in order to keep up with what I had trained them up to. I spent that entire stretch of the game and all those expansions having no idea I was using rank 1 spells the whole time. During that time of those being released I never got above mid 40s so basically I was stuck in the barrens no matter what character I started (so many shamans, couple of mages). It wasnt til classic in 2019 i was told in person by a buddy looking at my screen over my shoulder that I had been playing the game in most hardcore iron man difficulty he;d ever seen someone not realize they were doing. I just thought like in all games once you learned the higher rank of a spell, it was always that rank. The idea of having multiple ranks available at same time and purposefully not using the highest one was such an alien concept to me. Let alone the game doesnt make it a point to tell you things like that explicitly like it would for Hunter’s tame beast abilities. They make it a thing you just “have to already know”. (Like, it wouldnt be hard to make a quest in the starting areas that required you to use rank 2 of a spell in order to progress, which would lead you to figuring it out naturally because there’s a mechanic telling you to do that specific thing.)
But yeah, things are not obvious to me and while Ive read more to learn how to play this game than I have needed to in my entire 14+ years of schooling / college… there so much more to the iceberg i dont have a clue exists. so forgive me if I dont immediately catch subtle things like that. or jargon speak like “share a debuff” and what that actually means and not what it reads as to me, the unknowing.
Dead post but I’m confused. You make a post asking for help, in which lots reply. And now you’re mad they didn’t magically know of your “memory condition”?
There have been replies, not sure about the quantity lots that you suggested, as most have been off the topic of helping fix my dps issue being so low. I didnt get mad or even imply I was mad in any way about someone not knowing my issue with memory formation and retention. I merely said
At no point in that was it anything but an explanation of my memory issue for the benefit of others to understand where Im coming from. See, you probably dont get lost in Undercity or Org or anywhere really. I do. All the time. Im not mad about it, I just dont have the maps and the areas etched into permanent memory like the most of yall do. So if I dont know something you might think is beyond basic level, its because you have the benefit of being able to stand on a mountain of knowledge you;ve gained and retained and even if you temporarily forget any one thing, you know enough contextual things around what you forgot to look it up accurately.
I do not have that same starting point. The best way I can convey the request for help that doesnt lead to toxicity is to imagine your own 55 year old parent or 75 year old one, doesnt matter, pick the age for your own circumstance, but imagine they started a wow account and really got hooked and enjoyed it but uh oh- the old memory isnt what it used to be. So pretend that person is the one asking the questions I am. Sure someone else can tell them to google it, but consider if thats really the best way to interact: to be that short, curt, flippant, and almost rudely unhelpful to that parent with poor memory that just wants to enjoy their game a little more and understand it better? Someone could. I suppose. But I dont treat my parents that have memory issues that way, nor anyone else’s. Perfect stranger on the internet I know nothing about, sure why not? Perfect stranger that now I know this one detail about them? Uh, no, no I wouldnt be. I’d be a step closer to the more helpful side of interacting than the “Ugh, its obvious, go read a guide!” in the same voice as Napoleon Dynamite telling people “Whatever I feel like, gosh! Tina! Come eat your ham!”
Not sure what was meant by
But any mentions of my condition are not me getting mad, but merely explaining something. Thats why I said
Ill forgive you for you dont know the troubles I go thru with my condition.
Im not asking to be handled like someones granny with dimentia, but I am asking for help with something I obviouisly dont have a clue as to what Im doing still. Im still a person with personably traits, flaws and all.
Thanks for that list, tho. I appreciate that concise set of keybind order. Ill give it a go later today.