Reread my post. I didnât list Azshara as land that Night Elves control. I merely said that, while we donât fully know the status of Ashenvale, in-game we still see a ton of Night Elves in it as well as Azshara. Thatâs just a fact. Go to Azshara right now and you will find Night Elves.
Cool. You are comparing the Night Elves, a single playable race, to the entirety of the Horde. Try breaking the Horde down into individual races and see how they compare to the Night Elves. As a Darkspear player, I can only imagine what itâs like to have a whole zone all to myself.
Oh honey.
No please. Donât kill the guy that doesnât want to be in the Horde anymore, the guy that kills more Horde than he does anyone else, the loa known for dying, and the loa we knew for three seconds before killing him. Oh and Thrallâs mom and the guy thatâs been dead for a decade already. Though feel free to kill Calia and Sylvanas.
Did I do it right? Did I âit doesnât count because I say soâ the right way?
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/what-reparations-should-the-alliance-get/651847/502
lol Didnt know it was real.
Then perhaps they should have taken storytelling seriously to begin with. That way they wouldnât be playing damage control.
All the good will in the game doesnât undo the damage BfA has done to the story and lore. And as usual, Blizzard is too proud to admit they screwed up.
Presumably. Now is this the part where I say that it doesnât change the fact that theyâre Horde, and thus however you might feel about them is invalid?
Go to the human starting zone and you will see orcs. that doesnât mean anything and you know it. Youâre using it to try to give your argument false weight by trying to conflate two entirely separate things and hoping people wont see through it. Azshara is a horde zone, having NPCs in a zone doesnât mean anything, npcs are spread out in every single zone ever.
Compare Darkspear to the gnomes then.
Maybe Iâm just projecting but I figure the âI hope Sylvanas gets redeemedâ sentiment is a nuclear one specifically because thereâs no honest investment attached to the story and it should be wiped away like a bad Etch-a-Sketch.
Like, go ahead and take the entire faction. It makes no sense for it to be around anyway. 
I think it is because Iâm supposed to gotcha with Sylvanas and Kaelâthas not being Horde next and it wouldnât make sense if you didnât call them Horde. Then it spirals into nitpicking about what counts as Horde/Alliance and we derail the entire thread.
We did it!
Nathanos gets the bean bag chair while Sylvanas and the Jailer get the couch.
Night Elves have a holding in Azshara called Talrendis Point. They have towers, a hunterâs hall, a moonwell, a couple tents, and an army occupying the land. That counts, even if itâs in Horde territory. I donât recall any orc holdings in human starting zones, unless you are referring to the Blackrock Orcs on Redridge Mountains, who arenât even Horde. But even if there is a pocket of Horde orcs I had forgotten about in the human starting zones, that doesnât mean the Night Elf holding on Azshara doesnât count. It means they both count.
Better yet, I can compare the Gnomes to the Night Elves and really drive home why itâs hard to take all the âNight Elves lost everything!â stuff too seriously.
Iâm sympathetic to the Night Elves. I hate what happened to them. I refused to take part in it. But itâs exhausting hearing about how terrible things are for only them from certain relentless posters. I appreciate all the Night Elf fans who retain the ability to look at the story from all sides and see that everyone suffered in BfA, even though, Iâll admit, the Night Elves suffered more than most.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-new-hope/691915
Talonbranch Worgen ruined the Goblin lumber operation in Felwood by the end of questing there for both the Horde and Alliance.
Also interesting to note that the Cenarion Circle named their outpost in Felwood after Tyrande.
Malfurion is the leader of the Cenarion Circle, and Shadows Rising further confirmed that the Night Elves at large have come to live at Nordrassil.
This thread? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/winterspring-alliance-or-horde/700343 Because in it the overwhelming consensus is that not only do the Night Elves have presence there while the Horde does not, almost all posts in the thread say that Winterspring should go to the Night Elves.
Lore wise this did change after the Siege of Orgrimmar, as revealed in A Good War that the Horde had removed themselves from Ashenvale in accordance with the treaty thereafter.
Speaking of said treaty, Tyrande did not cede Azshara to the Horde, only allowed them the use of its lumber:
- I am willing to allow the Horde the use of Azsharaâs lumber if they abandon Ashenvale for good.
The Night Elves did not abandon Azshara, as was shown during the Legion Invasion pre-expansion events, where we saw the Talrendis Ancient had grown back, and Night Elf forces were still stationed in Azshara, and both helped the Goblins fend off the demons from the back gates of Orgrimmar.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/955149.jpg
Sitting down doing nothing whilst Alliance Jaina and Alliance Bolvar discuss the warmap until Alliance Calia and Alliance whatever Bolvarâs daughterâs name is arrive.
Neither of them speak. You do infact waste your time saving them.
Alliance.
Never our Horde.
Quite literally never any Horde.
But he was a member of the Alliance, once.
Quite literally quit the Horde.
If Sylvanas counts as Horde, Kaelâthas counts as Alliance.
Draka wasnt part of ANY horde even when she died to be technically (since Frostwolf were ehm⌠AWOL? Idk the term but they were like forced to abandon the horde.
I can see them thinking We dun screwed up soo many timesâŚlets not ruin this by opening our mouths. While I am excited for Shadowlands, I get the feeling itâs going to be another alliance Vast Human Potential expac overall. I am looking forward to Maldraxxus and Ardenweald though. (Havenât decided Convenant to join yet)
Speaking of Night Elf posters I appreciate. Itâs like you knew I was talking about you. I was also talking about Aviala, even though I havenât seen her post in a while. I just think you are both good at discussing the Night Elf perspective while also being considerate of other points of view. I salute you.
I might not always agree with Amadis, but I do respect him. Heâs a pretty level headed dude overall 
Accurate.
