N’zoth Curiosity

Why do some people feel N’zoth is not dead?

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dead but dreaming

disappointment in the story mainly, but also that the entire concept of killing him in a realm that doesn’t actually exist is confusing in the extreme.

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There’s speculation that the events of Dragonflight, where Chromie and Eternus go back to the past of the Black Empire, that somehow we tipped off N’Zoth about his eventual demise. So, the whole betrayal of Azshara was so that she could think she was helping the heroes defeat him while he used the empty dagger that contained Xal’atath to fake his own death.

It’s a stretch, but that’s the popular theory.

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He was stabbed by a magic dagger that can contain powerful entities and he wanted the heroes to have the magic dagger

So he prolly slipped some of himself in the magic dagger

Knaifu is now Knaifusbando

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How can Murozond come to be, if the Old Gods are dead?

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As pointed out, Xal’atath is a blade used to house Old gods, which Wrathion stabbed N’zoth with, we also know as pointed out that N’zoth expressing knowledge of the Player Character in the past means that N’zoth has seen the future and how it plays out.

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hmmm interesting

I guess I can see where people make that theory now anyways

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N’Zoth at least saw our minds as well as that of Eternus.

His will lives on in the Shadowflame at the very least so one way or another his Black Empire will be reborn.

Azshara believes that she will sit at the head of the Black Empire as prophesied but N’Zoth sees us sitting at the head of the Black Empire for by our flesh his Black Empire will be reborn!

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I have a theory that everything seen in Nyalotha was an illusion so that N’zoth could fake his own death. He might’ve fled Nazjatar to go elsewhere then used Nyalotha as a distraction.

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Deathwing is from the Old Gods, Nozdormu’s turn still hasn’t been revealed.

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Shadowlands was so bad it gave a ton of people copium hoping unironically a “it was just a dream” twist would take place.

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he sees all.

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The lore blurb for Murozond in the dungeon journal says that Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods to shatter the timelines in order to prevent his death.

After the titans showed him his own death, the tormented Nozdormu was tricked by the Old Gods into trying to subvert his mortality. As a result, Nozdormu shattered the timeways and created the infinite dragonflight… jeopardizing the very future of Azeroth.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Murozond_(tactics)#Adventure_Guide

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Time is a tangled web. Try not to dwell on all the loose ends :wink:

So Blizzard retconned it from being an actual legitimate ‘True End Time’ to Old God trickery. That’s… horrifically disappointing.

Far as N’Zoth goes, he often had plans within plans. His defeats often ended up favoring him in the long run. I wouldn’t be shocked if N’Zoth planned for his Death and it was his intention all along to get stabbed by Xala’toth

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Old Gods are planar beings, so if you kill them in the material plane all you’ve done is just send them to the void corner for timeout. All you have to do is gather up enough of the ol’ Twilight cultists to summon them back to Azeroth and they can return in some new Lovecraftian manifestation. To kill-kill them you’d need to track them down in the Void and kill them there, which would shatter their essence into the realm to reform into other things.

N’zoth is an interesting possible exception, as he was killed within his manifestation of Ny’alotha. It is arguably a void realm, a possibility anchored into a quasi-reality by the Old God’s fixation of bringing it into material existence. If it was, then N’zoth should of died-died for real when we Anime Lazerbeam’d him in the forehead in Ny’alotha. N’zoth was the most clever of the Azerothian Old Gods, however, and he would of known of the risks of his plan. That is what I think he intended to use the Black Blade, which once imprisoned Xal’atath, for—To host a piece of his own essence. Enough of himself to serve as a backup if he somehow did fail in his ambitions.

How is it a retcon when both came out at the same time? The dungeon journal came out with Cata, mainly patch 4.2. End Time came out in patch 4.3.

The true end time bit was related to why Murozond wanted the Hour of Twilight to succeed, as that was better than what he saw as the true end time. It was never the reason why he became Murozond.

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What do you mean ‘would’ take place? It did … take place.

It was aaaaall a dream!

{Pulls over blanket rocking on creaky chair shakily, holding tightly onto Ursoc plushie}

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