I would argue that anything not on mythic track is completely worthless. It makes no one want to run anything heroic or lower M+. Only couple items that dont fit that mold… spymasters… litterally everything else is worthless
It would be a worthless argument since you can’t acquire mythic gear without heroic gear.
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sure you can, plenty of people did it last two weeks. Are they completely normal gear no. it still doesnt change fact that heroic gear is worthless and getting more worthless. Its too low compared mythic gear.
Heroic gear should have extra grind levels just like mythic.
No content in the game requires Mythic level gear, except Mythic. M+ does provide the crests and vault reward for Myth track though.
Why do you want this gear, except crab-in-the-bucket envy?
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You understand I didn’t mention M+ once, right? Like I actually enjoy playing the game, I’ve been doing Delves as well as the open world content. The game is just better in general when the devs dont pander to competitive players.
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Good news most of the game doesn’t pander to competitive players and all recent expansions have kept adding more and more casual content. But rewards and content designed for them is.
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It’s not worthless, it’s 626 which will be sufficient to do +10 keys. You only have to get to +7s to get heroic drops, and HC raid is possible with normal gear.
Also, the desire to have stronger gear just to have it is bizarre. If you don’t do high end content it’s completely irrelevant to any content you’ll be doing. You can kill that 2 to 4 million health mob blocking your mining node, I promise.
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Oh boy. How to feel about not being able to afford a Ferrari? Or a multimillion dollar home? Those RWF players, that is literally there job. The pay the time tax to get all that gear: you could too if you could afford the time. But sounds as if you are not willing or able to.
So there really is nothing to complain about. You just have a bad case of FOMO.
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Not sure if those are the right words. I always thought mythic gear was meant to make mythic raid and high keys easier. Never thought my heroic gear was invalidated by someone who spent 6 hours wiping on mythic Rash.
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Whoa - Vysis! Get out of here with your level-headedness and logic! The forums are for irrational complaining!
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Interesting take… have you seen M+ this season… Its not exactly pug/ casual friendly. -15sec deaths kill so many dungeons. People leave keys after first or 2nd wipe. So many mechanics 1shot people. The group is 100% punished for personal mistakes. So much that if mistakes are made people just abandon the key.
Oop you’re right I’ll see myself out 
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The reason classic and classic raiding are so popular is because the game (including the end-game) is designed for people who actually enjoy WoW. The reason why mythic raid is essentially a dead difficulty is because it isn’t. Creating Mythic as a mode in the first place was a mistake and they’ve only compounded on it over time.
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Except people want to gear in a game about gearing. yes they can kill mobs in real world in greens. should they quit then because gearing grind is over?
alright game is done… I can defend my mining node. Yikes…
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Alright let’s cut Mythic Raids and Mythic Dungeons. 
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M+ was always aimed at premades this is for me making M+ what it was supposed to be. With the recent nerfs I think it’s getting pretty close to perfect while for sure Siege is not my favorite dungeon and I would have reduced the number of M+ dungeons required for your weekly vault. You still get loot for depleting a key or a mythic track in your vault if you deplete a 10 so I’d say it’s more than fair.
How many guilds cleared naxxramas during Vanilla or beat Lich King 25m hc pre nerf during Wotlk? Yea even old raiding was made to be challenging and let’s add that old raiding was more popular because you simply couldn’t get rewards outside of it you had to play the raid.
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The reason people and groups are wiping. Is that players are trying to do mythic dungeons as soon as they ding 80 with their low level trash gear. They think they can skip everything in between and get the PHAT LEWTS from a carry. And my gosh let’s not obey any mechanics or god forbid look and see how to actually run the dungeon.
So yes Mythics in general are udder trash this season cause they were all spoiled in past seasons.
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And we’ll get players that say they can’t do Heroic Raids complaining. It will never end.
And this ^.
Are you complaining because you can’t do the content you want at the iLevel you can reach or because you know there are players who have a higher virtual number attached to their toon than you?
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Peen envy. That is the real answer. Mommy his number is higher than mine. WAH!!!
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Well we seem to disagree in this matter by quite a bit. When every high end group wants Aug and Rshaman because incoming max damage is so high. We got a serious problem.
Then you put Non Voice pugs which is basic way wow M+ is consumed by average player. On top of -15sec death penalty. it makes for extremely bad concoction.
I spent majority of last week leveling keys only to get trolled on key level i actually wanted to complete. I would get tanks left keys after one death. Healers that couldnt heal first pull in a dungeon. DPS that never kick. Now im not saying these people should be able complete a dungeon. But even dungeons felt perfectly fine i had people go oh we cant time it. Leave 5 deaths into the dungeon. Its gotten to the point its miserable to pug.
Its not like DPS player can queue for a dungeon. There too many dps to even find a group that -4 key levels over content you are capable of doing. at -4 key levels there litterally no reason to even queue.
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