I get where you’re coming from but after the first time this happened you literally could have just googled the affix and would have gotten this information instead of going through 2 whole other keys. Especially if you’re doing +11s. It’s good that players were willing to explain stuff to you but it will go a long way for the pug scene if players like you actually were proactive in doing some basic research before doing content.
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Appreciate that understanding.
To be honest here, when the affix would hit, I was waiting to see what negative effect it had on me and I didn’t notice anything negatively substantial.
You’re absolutely right, I could have looked it up like I have many other mechanics of the game. This is one of those mechanics that I just didn’t research. But the prot paladin took just a few seconds before the dungeon to explain things (like my man Druidzugging), which went a long way and we aced the dungeon.
Appreciate you taking the time to ask me civilly and have this conversation. Kudos to you.
Glad that happened but just as a food for thought type of thing: Imagine if he didn’t ask and just assumed everybody knows how the affix works? I’d say it’s reasonably to for him to and the 4 others to expect that.
OFC friendo. I assume you contrasting our interaction with this:
But he’s 100% right. I’ll say that going forward for you to think about your learning process for content because if had somebody apply for my group and didn’t dispel during the whole key/asked me “why do I need my dispel ?”, the first thing out of my mouth would be “how the [insert four letter word] are you doing +11s ?” before I explain it to you. Because it is super wild to not know that at that level of key.
Always remember knowledge is power friendo.
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its these types of mind set that people have that I’m looking to help with. thank you for your responses.
there are not many healers out there that don’t want to heal… its how this affix can create overlaps that can (rare) have wipe level results if no one helps a little. its the not helping that makes healers not want to heal this week not the healing. healers will be able to remove just about every wave of Devour that happens but some times the over laps can put you in a bad spot or we need our we need our dispels for healer only things or maybe you are out of range and were not hit by the spels that were cast to remove it. when this happens people need to step up and press buttons that will aid in the timing of the key. we are all here to work together and it is way more fun with a helping mind set for all involved,
the real problem, in my respectful opinions, is that since healer can mange all or close to all of the devours that happen, when the healer needs help, unless you are a healer how will you know that is the time to help ? what I’m asking is that people spec into their dispels and if you see that the devour has not been removed in a short amount of time. remove it. its one gcd. assume the healer has something going on that he/she NEEDS to deal with and you are doing the group a solid.
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Did I tell you to look up every mechanic? No. You are moving goal posts.
H E S A I D T H E T H I N G G U Y S
But honestly yeah, looking every mechanic does work wonders doing group content. There’s a wealth of knowledge for it and I personally think the pugging scene would be whole lot better if people just watched guides on their lunch breaks.
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Yes I agree with all of this, players should be Cognizant of times when a healer’s ability to pump is compromised, as well as when their dispel is already being taxed such as by curses in grim batol or the dispels in siege and dawnbreaker.
However the person I was specifically replying to said they struggled to handle it at all without DPS assistance, which simply shouldn’t be the case and while DPS should help, healers can and should be able to handle it without extenuating circumstances if the group isn’t well suited.
Is it beneficial? 100%. Do I except anyone to look up every mechanic? No, not even for +12/13s; however, I expect them to know every mechanic that they personally need to interact with either through experience in lower keys or looking up targeted mechanics.
MDT is a great way to learn mechanics.
The point was that some things should be universally known by the time a player reaches +11 keys. Key affixes are one of them.
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No argument. It would be a reasonable expectation. But the fact that he took extra steps to explain and ask about the dispels in the group went a long way and was greatly appreciated by all. An extra 10 seconds to make sure about things can make a difference.
Okay, this had me laughing. 
Let me ask you a simple and honest question here: Which scenario would you think works best----Taking literally a few seconds to ask and explain about this weeks affix and solution, thus having a smoothly run key for all—or—giving out four-letter words after a failed key??
True dat.
Not at all. But some people here like Yeastyholes actually understand where I’m coming from and aren’t petty in their responses. Some people get it…some people DON’T.
If I didn’t tell you to look up every mechanic then why make the argument that you are not going to look up every mechanic in bold font? Literally moving goal posts from what we were talking about.
You are equating me telling you to look up 3 affixes as looking up every mechanic.
I don’t really care about “where you’re coming from” when the messaging is what’s important. Yeasty pretty much reiterated what I said about how you should have either known or looked up the affixes by the time you got to +11 keys.
In either scenario I’m gonna do my whole “WTF” statement AND explain it to them. But a larger issue is this: People don’t know what they don’t know and it’s perfectly valid for people to expect people to have a certain baseline level of competency at certain key level AND this late in the season. So it’s not wrong for me to look at a group at 2400+ IO and assume they have an understanding of the +2 to +11 affixes. And If I was in a group where somebody asked why they needed a dispell for the affix before the key started and the group leader kicked them to be replaced I’d 100% understand.
Bedside manner is key freindo or something about sweetness, honey, and bees IDK
It’s MR. HOLES to yall excuse me.
Then go away, simple.
He said he understood where I came from. Something that’s obviously beyond your scope to grasp.
I don’t have to go anywhere.
Do you have blinders on? He stated multiple times he understands where you are coming from, but explained why you are in the wrong in multiple ways.
Wait, wait…
Why would you give your WTF statement before the key if you’re also explaining the solution? I can see why AFTER the key bricked, perhaps, but…
Something that’s beyond him. He’s already admitted to being a petty person.
Should we call you “SIR” Hole??
Something I stated before.
Stating that I’m 100% right.
Meaning he expected you to know the affixes by the time you get to +11s.
Again, reitterating what I have been telling you.
He’s literally not agreeing with you lmao. Just cause he understands where you are coming from doesn’t mean he agrees. You should 100% know the affixes by the time you get to +11 keys. What are you even arguing at this point.
Don’t try to take the moral high ground. You admitted to the same exact thing.
There’s an adult response if I ever heard one.
Something you’re incapable of.
You’re really that obtuse, aren’t you? I’m sure you also skipped this part as well…
…right over your head.
You’re lying. Give me the quote where I said I was petty like YOU admitted to…
Again, you are in no place to take a moral high ground. You admitted to being petty and arguing for the sake of arguing. You admitted to coming after me to “defend” Ben who literally told you he didn’t need you to and to stop. You are trying to play the victim.
my aim is the push the mindset away from this. as it is dps who are going into dungeons are going to be giving their all to give us the big old pew pew numbers. all their focus and planning goes into this. with the in mind and if you add the fact that the healer is taking care of most of the devours. this sets things up for an easy mistake. people are not going to be looking out for the affix as they dont expect it and they are giving all they have to their huuuge pew pew numbers because the healer should be doing it… i 100% believe this mind set put people down the harder path and if we shift that just a little off the healer to people are aware everytime devour that goes off, then this week will be easy and fun.
let me give you an example. in Mist when we are going through the maze (before the predictive add-on is telling us where to go) ill be going to each tree stump and ill solve the puzzle for the group. while im doing this there is not much healing going on ill admit it. thats why i try to find the best way i can still contribute. when im doing this we have people being knocked back or they just have happy feet (cough hunters cough) and im walking all over the place, this can put people out of range once and a while. so they might not get the intended heals for a round of devour if they leave rage at the wrong time.
this is a silly example as it is rare and unlikely. but that is my point. we need everyone to keep an eye open for it incase you need to mange devour yourself. but who will be looking out for it if we all thing the healer should get it ?
im not saying the healer should not be getting most, i do get and will keep getting most of them (try and beat me in dispels i dare you). im saying others need to get more involved.
what do you think of this ?
Because simultaneously I literally can’t comprehend the idea of somebody getting that far into keys and not know something like that it makes me want to drive toothpicks under my fingernails to stop the mean words I want to say while simultaneously being able to entertain that it is indeed possible for this to occur. So I go “WTF mate” then given them my helpful friendly explanation.
I am a complex creature I suppose. Or crazy IDK.
Bro I agree with your argument but this is getting weird mate. You’re getting personal about stuff again.
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