My thoughts on the current state of Aff

Affliction didn’t need MR. It was fine just being a DoT spec and having SB be the filler that would add the “burst” potential of the spec.

But like said before you can make the whole spec work better by just having DoTs behave differently on the order they’re applied.

  • “Burst” UA first - makes all other DoTs deal their damage in half the ticks.
  • “Spread” Corruption first - makes all other DoTs apply to area around the target at reduced damage.
  • “Standard” Agony first - all other DoTs follow their normal behavior.

Insofar as shard management goes I think having it tied to UA and seed is fine. They’re more or less the ST/AoE burst rounds.

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MR is the reason affliction isn’t tuned into the ground because of how strong Aff is on council fights.

And this is an absolute terrible idea.

I get that its hard to balance damage wise and that maybe Aff won’t perform in the top 10. I mean theres 25 DPS specs so somebody has to be at the bottom. The problem goes back to my original point. I’m not complaining about damage issues but rather the vehicle. “I’m clicking a whole bunch of buttons and that BM is doing better and he has three.” pretty much sums it up but its not even that I have to look at BM I can just look to Destro or Demo. Its the same class, I just switch to Destro and do the same or better damage on like 5 buttons. This is the reason that it’s not well represented in most formats. Right now as far as I can tell based on leaderboards and my experience, Aff is the least played of the Lock specs in M+, Raids, and Arena.

I wouldn’t bother with this person. Not worth the headache.

Oh I wasn’t expecting changes to the spec at this point in the Xpac. I should have specified this is more my mind set going into TWW. I just hope there are changes to come at a core level for Aff. Sure Hero Talents are going to change how a spec works, but I think its a bad design philosophy to bank on (potentially) another form of borrowed power to fix a spec. The spec should be good and the talents should make it better, not simply usable.

This could be a cool concept but I don’t think it’d be viable. As it stands, our rotation prioritizes getting specific dots up first. For example Agony has to build its stacks so you wouldn’t want to go corruption, UA, then Agony cause that would be a dps loss.

The issue with shards is less the spending and more generation. Demo and Destro have multiple forms of guaranteed shard gen tied to casts. The only guaranteed shard gen for Aff occurs when something dies. Immolate as I can tell is a 50% chance to gen a shard fragment and then crits have a chance as well. Agony is a stacking 2.5%. Its just too unreliable. Even if you opt to just play Shadow Bolt as Aff, the shard generation is exclusive to Demo.

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Don’t worry about Snozzy, he’s a troll. There’s no way he isn’t trolling. He’s also very incorrect about them not balancing specs around other people because they wouldn’t have done what they did to Disc, Balance, Enhancement, Unholy, Rogue class, Mistweaver, and I think there was 1-2 other specs they messed around with, all for the sake of making it easier to play. Also, they’ve messed with Affliction with things like Dreadtouch timer, too, and did it all for lower end players specifically because while it frustrated higher end players playing the spec, they still were able to play it correctly while the lower end could not. Again, he’s 100% wrong in his regards, so just ignore him. He’s the old grumpy dude waving his hand at the kids saying “get off my lawn.”

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Calling me a troll because you have lost multiple debates is laughable at best.

You and every other person in this thread are a prime example of why they should ignore all feedback on the forums.

They gave classes reworks. They didnt make them easier to play. You literally have zero clue what you are talking about.

Yet every time we debate you get embarrassed which would mean I am actually right.

Enhancement is way easier to play compared from BFA to DF. BFA the spec was whack-a-mole. SL lava lash didn’t even spread flame shock. You had to manually apply it. Now you just do it once and just LL it onto everything. People cry for 2H enhancement but I don’t want the frost dk treatment.

You mean a spec changed over 3 expansions? You don’t say!

That’s understandable.

No offense but I don’t really take anyone in your guild/organization seriously

BFA to SL is a night and day difference for enhance. Admirably, chain harvest carried enhance for quite some time. And also brought nerfs to the spec. My conspiracy is that it’s because turbo is oppressive and it’s easier to nerf enhance.

My guild? I don’t know if I’m even in one. I server transferred recently, I’ve been on KT since before it became an ally safe haven. I do most of my content with people from Reddit though, but I don’t see what bearing that has. Especially since I’ve been anything but combative towards you.

Affliction just needs a few toys. I think it’d be cool if VT had a CD similar to shadow crash, but again I don’t do keys so what would I know.

rather have a different tool entirely, maybe something that spreads DoTs from the current target for example instead having to rely on sometihng with a CD to do AoE.

Whoa whoa, we may have a lot of disagreements on the forums but if you don’t think the reworks especially to Disc and Ret didn’t make them easier to play, I swear I want whatever your huffing.

ESPECIALLY to disc literally removing the whole schism ramp.

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I don’t play shaman so I’ll have to take your word for it.

KT has been a safe haven since before Cata?

You were in a guild called “the old gods” and frankly idk how anyone in the guild can put their pants on based on my interactions with them.

I think if VT acted like SC and applied all dots versus just agony it would help.

The issue is mostly that a dot/rot spec just isn’t going to be amazing in a timed dungeon mode.

I don’t play disc and haven’t played ret in a long time but rets always been easy.

What was Blizzard thinking by shifting Soul Rot into Shadow before addressing this problem?

No, their idea should be considered on its merit rather than dismissing the source in favor of one that appears more favorable or possesses more expertise. That’s just an excuse to avoid considering the idea at all.

If you want to attack something, attack the idea.

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Compared to Destruction and Demonology, Affliction’s generation is frustrating. Over time, yes, it generates many shards - but you’re always rolling for random values so it will have moments of feast and famine.

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No one seriously considers the janitors opinion on surgery techniques.

I have attacked and destroyed the ideas

I understand, but you keep mentioning about inexperience about talking about certain subjects yet you do the exact same, how can you say reworks which most definitely made things a lot easier for said classes saying they don’t, when you yourself don’t even play the classes to remotely give any input about the reworks.

I just find it funny that the janitor was giving an opinion, as you would say. Just very ironic that you literally do what you keep arguing about.

At least everyone here has played the class/spec.

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The reality is they weren’t. I’m really dubious that it was deliberate. It’ll get fixed for the pre-patch I’m sure! =]

Idk. I was on KT since vanilla. I joined a guild and moved it to a separate window since I was tired of people asking if I had a guild. I was in Altered Visions for a long time though.

But yeah, I think balancing the AOE part of it is the hard part. I just want another school and I wish so many PvP talents weren’t mandatory. RA and jinx really leave you with one. Shamans have a similar problem, at least enhance imo, too.

Then do that and nothing else. You’re not making yourself more credible with the ad hominem approach.

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Stating someone’s lack of credibility isn’t an attack.