This. Makes. No. Sense. How is it that people are still saying this?
Because some of us experienced the drastic change when it happened and we didnât like it.
My server in particular changed from there being a healthy population out in the world, questing and interacting with each other to a server where everyone AFKâd in Dalaran (creating Lagaran) until a dungeon popped, they do the dungeon, and then go back to AFKing in Dalaran.
Iâm sorry but thatâs just not playing the game. You think thereâs a problem with bots now? Why wouldnât it get worse after they donât even have to leave town to do it?
If you think itâs a conspiracy that a company would look into what profits them more before deciding to release or not release something you have no business sense.
What more evidence do you need? /who botanica, /who brd, /who any other known bot farm and you see the same characters there. Would take 1 guy maybe 2 minutes per char to investigate and throw bans. But they donât cause every char is a sub.
I think you are too much of a white knight for your favourite company youâd rather bury your head in the sand then see whatâs happening right in front of you. If you donât think blizzard is making an insane amount of money from bots and farmers you are delusional.
All that you just typed isnât what you said in what they responded to. You said Blizz calculated they would lose subs if RDF was implemented. You just pulled that out of your butt.
And most of us didnât. Furthermore, if you know and understand what the social environment is now from Classic to TBC, what further change do you imagine is going to occur?
I need conclusive evidence, not speculation. What you have is accusations and speculation with a conclusion based on zero hard evidence. Without solid proof that these third party gold selling sites are directly connected to Blizzard Entertainment, all you have are fallacious arguments and speculation.
This isnât about white knighting because you canât prove that youâre right. Your failure to produce any kind of evidence is nobodyâs fault but your own. If you have evidence, please present it. The reason I donât believe you is mainly because if such evidence WERE to come out, it would spell the end of Blizzard. They could even get into legal trouble if they were caught doing this. Shareholders would get super angry and Blizzard would fold. That would be incredibly stupid to do and a very big risk.
You arenât understanding what Iâm saying. Obviously blizzard isnât running or connected to the gold selling sites. What Iâm saying is blizzard is knowingly allowing these sites to operate freely because their bots and boosts pay subs.
If you donât think every single decision made at blizzard is based of what they think will bring in more money then I canât help change your mind. But when they add the wow token maybe that will convince you.
It would take a blizzard employee about 1 minute to ban a bot but the cost of their wage plus the loss in subs isnât worth it. My server has about 8-10 bots in botanica all day every day. Most are 65. They could /who botanica. Then jump into their instance, see the pathing and wall hacking. Issue ban. Literally 1-2 minutes of work. Cycle through every server. Boom you just banned ~100 bots. Do they do this? No and never will.
I find that amusing that you accuse me of having no business sense, someone with several successful businesses.
The reality is that a real playerâs subscription is worth way more than a botâs. Thereâs a reason Blizzard bans bots. To suggest that Blizzard somehow is willing to let the game degrade because âbots are gold farmers are a huge source of revenueâ is grossly misinformed.
Yeah, you are misinformed about how bots work.
Banning 1 singular bot a minute is wholly unproductive and inefficient. You should do some reading about bots and the armâs race on bots, itâs been written about many times before, entire research projects dedicated to it even.
âit would take about 1 minute to ban a botâ is a juvenile understanding of the botting epidemic that plagues all games.
Yet another simplification of the complex botting issue.
You realize when blizzard bans a bot they donât refund the sub fee they have paid or their game purchase? So they get to keep that and the money the bot then pays for their next purchase.
Except Blizzard has stated numerous times now that the majority of these subscriptions are paid for with stolen credit cards â meaning Blizzard rarely if ever gets to keep that money.
If you seriously think Blizzard has a financial interest in protecting bots, then you simply have little understanding of how botting actually works. You should read/watch some of the seminars theyâve done on it.
I have seen your posts there is no way someone as immature and trolly as you can have a successful lemonade stand but since itâs the internet yeah I own Apple too. Thinking of grabbing Amazon this weekend.
Iâll consider this desperate last resort at ad hominems to be your concession of your prior points. Glad we got this cleared up for you. Thank you.
I mean you just see blizzard as holy and mighty and canât accept that they might have some flaws so why waste the time to try and prove a point.
Bots are obvious and easy to manage, blizz refuses to do anything case closed.
Blizzard has many flaws â which Iâve spoken about at length.
The reality of the situation here is you only present your conspiracies and false narratives, which others have also rightfully called out for their lack of evidence. Until you present actual evidence of your claims, people arenât going to believe you. All you have is speculation and unsubstantiated accusations, based almost entirely off of misinformation about not only bots, but standard basic business practice â all of which, contradicts the real evidence we actually have.
You should not only offer your services to Blizzard, but the thousands of other game companies that struggle to deal with bots. If bots are obvious and easy to manage for you, they will surely pay you the billions that they spend on anti-cheat technology and anti-cheat teams.
Imagine being this much of a blizzard fan boy.
This isnât obvious ? Characters entering a dungeon only accessible to them by fly hacking, then walking through the dungeon only doable by wall hacking, then walking the exact same route with extreme precision, then if that wasnât enough the character never logs off for weeks straight.
I mean if thatâs not obvious to you I must be some kinda genius. And I would love to see some receipts so see blizzards anti cheat team being billions of dollars.
Do you not remember kick bots, where people set them up wrong and were interrupting instant cast spells, yes you read that instant cast spells. How much video proof was provided and blizzard didnât ban and people kept titles. But let me guess âfast reaction timesâ?
Given that these bots stay active for months itâs obvious very little is being done about the stolen cards so blizzard is at the end of the day keeping the money.
More ad hominems â you know these only serve to discredit yourself, right?
Youâre resorting to ad hominems because your entire narrative is based solely upon weak speculation and misinformed conspiracies.
The removal of LFD has nothing to do with bots.
Once again, if you think itâs that simple, please offer your services to the gaming industry. Theyâll save billions on anti-cheat technology, anti-cheat investigations, and anti-cheat sectors thanks to you, Smirm-Thrall. You will make hundreds of millions of dollars, Smirm-Thrall.
Except theyâve already stated, on multiple occasions, that they do not make money from those subscriptions. If you want to conspire and believe your false narratives, like the AV map changes and dual spec in TBC, you are welcome to do that. It is unfortunately, again, misinformed.
LoL thatâs BS, blizzard might end up giving some money back from fraud charges but they are not giving it all back. Theyâre only giving it back when they actually get actioned to give it back which is always only going to be a small percentage.
Sorry to burst your bubble but blizzard is making money off bots, thatâs why they do ban waves instead of actively enforcing. Blizzard gets the cost of the game fee + a few months subs minus whatever percent they are forced to return, profit for blizzard. The bots are around long enough to make enough gold to sell and they just pass the cost onto the buyers.
Do you have any proof at all for these claims or is it just baseless speculation?
Right, so Iâm inclined to belive Blizzard CMs and MVPs, who have extensive knowledge about the subject and about Blizzardâs inner workings, over the run-of-the-mill forum conspiracy.
Like I said, you are welcome to conspire about false narratives all you want, but, as seen above, bots do not bring in money for Blizzard, so the idea that LFD was removed to encourage bots for increased revenue is preposterous.