I suspect other games moderate their forums more. /shrug
Heck I think even the EU forums would have 404’d this thread. Those mods are much more aggressive.
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Googles prolysetizers
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Final Fantasy does a lot of nice things.
World of Warcraft does a lot of nice things.
As someone who plays both games, allow me to illuminate the pros and cons of each.
WoW
Pros:
-More lively outdoor zones.
-Transmog system is better.
-Better Races
-Better Raids
-Better Art and Aesthetics in places.
-More content.
-More classes.
-More player agency in how to play their class.
-Better loot variety.
-More alt friendly.
-Decent character customization.
-The smoothest, most tactile tab-target combat in any game, ever.
-The account wide features are amazing, allowing you to use transmogs/mounts/pets/toys on different characters.
-Blizzard are highly experimental with their expansions. For good or ill, they try something radically different every time. Sometimes you get a WoD, sometimes you get a Legion. But it’s always something new.
Cons:
-Timegating everything
-Forced secondary systems
-Awful for new players
-Tons of monetization.
-No deterministic way to acquire gear.
-Reputations that are generally viewed as a massive grind/annoying
-WoW Token is pay to win.
-No gear dying.
-The need for add ons to play the game at a high level.
-You play the patch, not the expansion.
-Expansions don’t add anything to the whole game, they are basically a fresh start for everyone.
-This leaves legacy content for transmogs and mount fodder.
-The story is a complete mess because of the neglect of legacy content.
-Trash community. Just trash. Rude, entitled, generally abusive, unhelpful, and unfriendly. It’s a cesspool. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.
FFXIV:
Pros:
-A+ Community. Always helpful to new players with no potential gain, never condescending, always nice, and love their game. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have met a rude, awful person in the 8 years I have played the game. there is statistically 0% rude people in FFXIV.
-Good story. One of the best I have ever played in a game.
-The aesthetics are better in some places, than others.
-Lots of classes to choose from with their own storylines, and lore.
-Your character is the main character of that great story. You really feel connected to the world and the events around you.
-The raids are highly complex without requiring add ons to parse information, everything is in the game.
-The raids are highly rewarding and fun to learn.
-Tons of determinism in regards to how you acquire your raid sets, and catch up gear.
-The spectacle of the game is off the charts.
-Fancier Armor and weapons, reskins are rare.
-More Emotive, and expressive player avatars, with different facial expressions, poses, and tons and tons of unique fun dances. Roleplay and player expression is king.
-The Gold Saucer, a 24/7 Darkmoon Faire with prizes like mounts, emotes, transmogs, arcade games, battle pet DOTA, and more.
-Triple Triad, a TCG inside of the game that you can play against other players and NPCs with hundreds of cards to collect.
-You can play all classes and professions on one character, good in some ways bad in others.
-the crafting system is amazing, with its own set of classes with storylines and interconnected markets of goods that each one needs from the other.
-Player and guild housing.
-Timewalking isn’t an event, it’s a mandate.
-Old content always feels relevant, and you can check modifiers to make content harder. Or you can go in unrestricted and one shot it. Expansions actually EXPAND the game.
Cons:
-Alts are unecessary. Playing a job as a different race for the flavor, is a huge waste of time. FFXIV is the most alt unfriendly game ever made.
-Nothing is account wide. You earn a mount or pet, none of your other characters will have it.
-Boring Races. You got Humans, Cat Humans, Elf Humans, Small Humans, big Humans, Lizard Humans, Catter humans, Bunny Humans.
-Generally bad character customization
-The raids, while visually and mechanically stimulating all take place in these tightly designed boxes, that lack and sense of place or logical thought in the worldspace. You never have a thought that this event isn’t “content”.
-The Zones are completely lifeless and are pretty much there for treasure maps, hunts, and screenshot fodder.
-Side quests do not give anything worthwhile outside the occasional pet or neat transmog, the experience gains are terrible, only there for the lore.
-The main scenario quest is 70% cutscenes. You talk to a guy, a cutscene will play, and then you do an instanced duty, then you teleport to the next main scenario quest to watch another cutscene. The story is INCREDIBLE, but the gameplay suffers for it.
-Classes are horribly homogenized.
-Expansions are generally highly predictable in what levels of content you can expect. 6 zones, several dungeons, 1 raid, one alliance raid, 6 trials and extreme trials, 2 ulitimate fights, a relic weapon grind, gold saucer updates, some bonus stuff like roguelike style mega dungeons. This can be seen as good or bad, but to me, it’s yawn inducing, knowing what to expect.
Each game has its good and bad points. Pick your poison and shut up.
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I agree with you here. I was one of those people. But then Shadowlands happened… And then a 8 month patch happened, so my friend asked me to give it a go and I did. I’m really glad I did because I agree with you, the story demolishes WoW in so many ways. I think I only teared up in WoW once, but in FFXIV, I had to keep a box of tissues close by. The game demonstrates the power of having good story writers and a producer who ensures the tale stays connected throughout all of the xpacs.
I don’t know if OP has ever played FFXIV, but if not, he should… doesn’t cost anything to give it a try (well, only your time and maybe the price of a box of tissues.)
I’m sad that WoW has fallen so far that I actually went out looking for something else to play, but I’m happy that there is a game out there that has a good story, has stayed true to that story, and most of all has a development team that actually cares about their customers.
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And 100% of them are playing or have played WoW…but as i’ve said multiple times to you regarding anything for other games. “You’re too stuck in your own butt to see that there is more out there.”
You and Clark must be related with how blindly you both keep following this game. Also, you make like at least 3 of these threads a week…so…stop?
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I had heard this too and it was one of the reasons I never gave it a try. I was so wrong about the game and the people in the game.
This too is absolutely correct. I have only run into one person who was toxic to others in a raid and the whole group schooled him on his behavior.
I was expecting the same thing. I was really surprised at how wrong I was. And I’m glad I gave the game a try. I highly recommend it.
The key is to power through A Realm Reborn. It is important to the overall plot, but it can be tough to get through. Once you get to the first xpac though… the developers fixed the issues with ARR and as you progress through the game you can see that they took the feedback players gave them and improved upon what they had built. I also believe it is important to ensure you get into an active FC. My friend and I went around and interviewed a bunch of FCs before choosing one. Taking the time to do that led us to a great bunch of people.
This is very true. However, the difference I see between the development teams of both games is the fact that the FF14 team actively seeks feedback, takes the time needed to explain what is going on in the development process, and even apologized to the player base because they were extending their patches by two weeks. On the other hand, the WoW development team rarely communicates with their customers and did not even think twice about subjecting that player base to an 8 month content drought.
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My catgirl has a school uniform 
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I don’t mind ffxiv it’s fine for what it is. One of the issues I had playing ffxiv is how story driven it is, feels like you’re on train going in one direction. Kind of like with swtor. I prefer mmos like daoc and wow that are a bit more open ended.
Maybe I shouldn’t be making comments about wow since I don’t actually play it right now.
WoW hasn’t been open ended for a while. The questing in BFA and Shadowlands, and to a lesser degree in Legion, have all been on rails.
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I have expressed detailed opinions on FF14, at even excessive length, elsewhere. Suffice that I played it more than a year, and now I’d not touch that game with a pole.
Is it because I am a hopeless WoW fanatic? No.
First MMO I played was Ultima Online, and moderately liked it.
I loved RIFT, nearly as much as WoW, and not my fault that the game imploded.
Almost ditto, Age of Conan.
Guild Wars 2 very good.
FF14 is the only MMO I played extensively and, in the end, did not like.
I played it. It doesn’t compare to WoW on a lot of ways. I think a lot of people wanted something new and needed a break from WoW. I quit WoW for almost 7 months and came back with so much more appreciation for the game.
Rift was great, oh man I miss it. The open world always had a air of danger to it because a rift could open above nearby at any time and start spewing out enemies.
Same deal with WildStar. PvP in that game was a cluster but it was fun, and player housing was probably the best I’ve seen out of ANY mmo to date.
Star Wars Galaxies, the Warhammer MMO, City of Heroes/Villains, and so on and so forth.
I just love MMOs and being social in an in-game setting.
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looks at class and race
sees human paladin
ahh I see you’re a closeted anime fanboy.
That said FF14 isn’t that good, it’s an over glorified walking and clicking through dialogue sim.
I think so. They aren’t owned by Trion Worlds anymore, in fact that company disbanded and was bought by Gamingo.
I’ve heard Gamingo is where games go to die. They also bought and own “Trove”, a somewhat minecraft-like MMO (in terms of graphics) that was also deemed “dead” a while ago. I think they make them all free-to-play?
At the same time, they say they are giving Rift it’s first content update in years. I think the last time that game got content was 2017, about five years ago.
I feel like everything would go stale in that time. Just imagine WoW without anything new for five years lol. More than enough time to finish what’s there, but why re-run stuff for the same rewards?
They had a progression server that launched as “vanilla” Rift and re-added expansions over time, but in 2019 they closed that server down and made everyone transfer to Rift live.
New PvP set coming in 6.1 
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Kind of lol.
Discount Bolvarthas.
Lol it’s the Lich King but he’s Bolvar-colored.
Still looks very nice, I’m not much for plate though.
I play both.
Some parts of that game I like better and some parts of this one I like more.
WoW for example has some of the most gripping PvP I’ve played. The experience isn’t paralleled in any other game I’ve played. Furthermore the general gameplay is excellent.
FFXIV definitely wins in the story and community aspect. WoW lost something powerful when they did sharding within a server and while this does exist for FF too you can select where you go. People are generally nicer there.
But this is all nuanced in a way though - WoW has many side things that FF is missing. The support for MacOS natively without a second word on if it was necessarily feasible is one I respect deeply and it inherently is a lot easier to get into. In any case having spent about 6 months in this game and a year and a bit in FF I’m excited for progress in both.
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I can confirm this.
Before I gave up on Grand Fantasia I was a GameSage for it. Our meetings went from community engagement to $$ metrics real quick after the handover. A pity because I spent the better part of 12 years playing that game.
I don’t have the same level connection to other games they’ve killed but I’ve seen AAO, Eden Eternal and Twin Saga die under their watch.
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This is exactly why I haven’t been able to bring myself to try it. Well, catgirls and bunnyboys.
That sounds amazing. I will move FF14 to the top of my list for next game to try.
(I am hoping Blizzard’s April announcement makes clear if they plan on rolling all future expansion into lvl 10 to 50 or start the lvl number climbing again so I know whether to just give up, sell/delete everything, give away the bit of gold I have and quit or not.)