Genn has nowhere the same kind of attention/spotlight that anduin and Jaina get. He appears occasionally here and there
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https://youtu.be/s4gBChg6AII Where do I even start. We still haven’t gotten any explanation on what magic slyvanas was using to defeat Bolvar. Bolvar not using the scourge as shields makes no sense at all he was meant to keep them contained not to keep them from being destroyed. Where are the dragons where are the abominations. Was this really all he can control.
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It set the tone of the expansion quite well, that Mists of Pandaria was going to be an affectionate nod, sometimes parody to all of those Hong Kong movies I watched as a kid.
If you hated those flicks, you weren’t going to be fully happy with this expac.
Up to a point. they’re not going to be valued over or even as much as the actual clan. Wolves are not orcs. and as Thadeous put out… No one ever said peep about the fact that the Frostwolves literally wear wolves.
Yesera however has a story connection with Tyrande as she was the one who brought her down with the Champion’s help. Ursoc had a poignant ending as did Ara’lon who harvested him.
Whether he deserved it or not, the important part is that it was epic and totally one hundred percent in character that he’d refuse any form of redemption, because that would entail admitting that he was wrong.
I once had the exact same reaction to one of McDonald’s shake flavors, it was one of those introduced for a holiday, St. Pats, I think. It was at the Paterson McDonalds not that long after it had finally opened after burning down not once, not twice, but THREE times. When I first tasted it it felt great, but I threw it away when it was about half done because my experience with it changed that rapidly.
Jailor chain magic. I don’t think that we actually need to know the exact magical formulae involved.
Once a Paladin… always a Paladin. Maybe after being their warden for awhile, he’s developed some sort of perverse attachment to them.
I really doubt that Bolvarr would have wanted any of them around… especially the Red Flight. He made it clear that he’s far from enjoying what they did to him. And without Frostmourne, he’s really a rather low rent Lich King… or Lich Jailor… maybe that’s the title that Sylvannas took so much offense to.
The entire Horde Broken Shore cinematic experience was like, a 2-part kick in nuts in which you experience each individual ball breaking, and that’s not a metaphor for having fragile masculinity, no. It’s because this entire sequence is so unsubtle and hamfisted in making every other Horde character look like chumps for the sole purpose of propping up Sylvanas.
Even down the mis en scene of having Sylvanas placated specifically at the highest end of the ridge they are all fighting on and looking down upon all the other characters who are defeated or in the process of such after which she calls a convenient army of literal angels from heaven to carry the wounded to safety, and then of course you have Vol’jin, who had proven to be an incredibly witty and capable fighter in the past getting downed by a random felguard due to what can only be described as literally plot posion(because we’ve legit never had an instance of Felguards using poison in the lore at any point before this)
Then we got the followup cinematic in which once again, the unsubtle mis en scene really wants to show that Sylvanas is the most important figure in the room by having a literal spotlight shown on her despite being in a dark room, as if the gods themselves are telling the Horde that she is the most important character ever.
The whole experience is insufferably forced and there’s very little to no build up to her sudden promotion nor is there any really justification for why every single Horde leader are being defeated. The way it’s depicted is just so utterly nonsensical.
Vol’jin’s death sequence is more about Sylvanas and propping her up than it is about Vol’jin himself.
So following up Legion’s constant propping up of Sylvanas(and only Sylvanas) we have the infamous BfA cinematic. The only cinematic that caused people to theorize a wildly different expansion based on the barebones context of the Alliance attacking a Horde settlement, which admittedly does have some merit to it, although for various other reasons aside from the cinematic alone.
It opens up with Sylvanas being a giant hypocrite, lamenting over the ‘cycle of hatred’(despite being a root cause for its continuation) as the Alliance besieges Lordaeron city.
Now out of context it works great, the Horde defending its property from an Alliance invasion, it’s all well and good.
However, it’s the context which causes this cinematic to fail catastrophically.
It’s the Horde now dealing with the repercussions of burning Teldrassil and the Alliance rightfully coming to Undercity to claim the head of the one responsible for giving the order, 1x Sylvanas Windrunner.
And while many were hyped at her battlecry at the end, I just feel it’s so wholly an unearned moment from her.
As Warchief, what has she done to which I should feel galvanized by this motion?
-Sounded a retreat
-Sent with us a fleet to Stormheim(which got destroyed)
-Attempted to re-enslave Val’kyr
What has she done so far that warrants any kind of emotional response to this moment from one outside of her very dedicated fanbase?
Like idk man, I just felt nothing at this. At this point she still doesn’t feel like she fights for the Horde, but for herself. She’s never cared about the Horde as an entity, as much as she cared about simply being entitled to its resources as a member and giving her the support she needs to defend her land and people.
What’s changed about Sylvanas in this moment, at this point in time, where she all of a sudden cares about something aside from her own little bubble in the world? There was no perceivable evolution of her character in Legion in which she acts completely the same and is given the title of Warchief on a silver platter and there was nothing in the Legion epilogue patch that would warrant such a change in tune either. Nor in any of the 2 expansions preceding Legion.
I feel like I needed just a sliver of character growth shown between the time of MoP and this cinematic to feel like this battlecry has any sincerity in it whatsoever aside from simply being a way to get her newly acquired servants to fight for her with more fervor.
Never bought into the hype of this cinematic and never will(unless they somehow reboot the story and try an expansion like this again only with Sylvanas having acquired sufficient character development before this moment).
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I think they may have chosen Ysera to come back for a specific reason. Maybe she plays an important role in the next expac, if the next expac is indeed about the Dragon Isles.
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Either that or have the entire Horde leadership decapitated on the spot.
Technically the literal future of her people the Forsaken were on the line.
As a again. Her covenant with the Forsaken didn’t apply to beings that aren’t even mortal.
You are missing the greater context of her story which mostly dates from Reign of Chaos specifically the fall of Silvermoon. all the way through Wrath of the Lich King and it’s aftermath.
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It’s kind of laughable how she acts in the epilogue cutscene. Baine gives his speech, which everyone applauds and cheers for except for Nathanos and Sylvanas. She obviously doesn’t want to be there. A good warchief would be celebrating with everyone else at the table. Instead she stays quiet and rolls her eyes.
It’s not that she doesn’t respect the Horde. She just hates useless pagentry. That is explained in BtS. She doesn’t want to be there because she didn’t want this celebration to begin with.
If you haven’t noticed, the Forsaken are not “cheery” people. Plus it would be rude to eat a corpse in front of the living. How rude of them not to understand or respect Forsaken culture.
One of the things BtS and A Good War highlighted for me was just how much Sylvanas and Nathanos did things that were uncomfortable for Forsaken, just to get acceptance from the Horde. From hiding the fact that the assasin they caught was secretly eaten as to not offend, to sitting through uncomfortable speeches about Hammul Runetotem’s bad dreams. They did that because they wanted inclusion and respect, they respected everyone else’s culture, but Forsaken culture got zero respect from the Horde, even with a Forsaken Warchief. She acted like an Orc and they still hated her.
Like it or not, but Forsaken culture is eating people, staying up all night and using unethical warfare.
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So… they are evil?
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So how do you stop trolling? 
A little more seriously. Orcs and trolls can ignore these efforts of the Forsaken because they (orcs and trolls) suppress their culture - slavery and cannibalism? What else was bad there, dark voodoo?
“We endure, and you endure, and there is nothing to be proud of”? It’s a shame, but understandable.
If you enter a foreign temple, then bow your head
And be prepared for the fact that you will lose her in an instant,
But only if yourself managed to put himself on the throne
Then come to terms with fate soon - from now on you will survive alone.
If crawled on his knees, and did not beg you
Not about mercy, not about pity, not about benefaction even once.
A bone was thrown to you, where is the gratitude, servant?
Hit the floor in an instant, you are our debtor forever,
And should look no worse than angels almost immediately.
Summary
Коль входишь ты в чужой храм, так преклони же главу
И будь готов ты к тому, что вмиг ее ты потеряешь,
Но только если себя успел поставить на трон
Тогда смирись скорей с судьбой - один отныне выживаешь.
Коль на коленях приполз, и не молили тебя
Ни о пощаде, ни о не жалости, ни о милости ни разу.
Тебе бросили кость, где благодарность, слуга?
Ударься мигом об пол, ты наш должник навсегда,
И должен выглядеть не хуже ангелов почти что сразу.
Yeah.
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The Horde has some unsavory races. The Goblins also are toxic capitalism to the point where they will destroy the planet if left unchecked.
There isn’t a Horde race, except pandaren, that don’t have a history of evil.
…
Has the Horde expressed gratitude to anyone for abandoning cultural traditions? Or did the refusal take place by order and not that voluntarily / approved by those who refuse?
Well its not a history of evil if its actively being practice and if thats true then how can Alliance NOT have the moral high ground?
Destroying evil is morality itself in high fantasy.
In that context if Alliance did what the Horde did to the Night Elves to a Horde race then it would be a good thing right?
Rightous Alliance slaying monsters in both body and mind.
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Are you saying I’m trolling?
I’m not intentionally, I’m just talking about this game.
In a black and white fantasy setting yeah possibly, but these are playable races.
It’s not as easy to just wipe out the enemy faction especially when the majority of players play that faction.
Alliance supremacy is not economically viable for this franchise, Alliance is not the popular faction. Being the hero doesn’t sell like it used to. You should re-roll Horde.
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No, it was hard for me to resist trolling and my usual absurd arguments that would affect condemned real world practices. Luckily, this resulted in low-level versification. Another micro reason to be proud. 
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Ah, behold the real Shernish and not the troll! You articulate well when not playing the fool. I wish you didn’t feel like you have to play a role. But I do love your poetry!
Well you are describing a very black and white setting for the Forsaken.
Its not about actually accomplishing to wipe out an enemy faction, its about the messaging. Burning of Teldrassil proved that you could virtually wipe out a playable race but Players are unaffected, so its not a good argument anymore.
The issue that I brought up was that if what you describe is true then the many complaints of Horde players of never having the moral high ground.
Well… how can they ever have the moral high ground when their culture is:
Now you are trying to pivot.
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They are not black and white, but I have to dumb down the narrative when talking to you because that’s what you want. Having to over simply the narrative, so you can have your gotcha moment. I let you have it. The Forsaken and the Horde are far more complex than one dimensional bad guys but I have no patience arguing that with you for the millionth time because you just don’t get it.
I’m not trying to pivot, I just don’t care to argue with someone unwilling to see the narrative as complex as it is.
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No need to dumb it down, its about being clear with the points you are making.
First you state that Forsaken are what they are… they are unethical, eat people and commit war crimes.
You further point out this is a problem with the rest of the Horde too. Where Blizzard has made the Horde evil with very little wiggle room out of it. If this is an identity you present as something that we either go along with or too bad then that pretty much defeats the whole argument that Horde to also have a moral highground to stand on once in a while.
But how can they do this when apparently they eat people?
What would the Alliance need to do to fall far enough that people eaters can look down on them?
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