I feel like I should add that I don’t mind wiping on content when I’m playing with the right people… like I’ve done raiding with a bunch of casual alcoholics where we make zero progress, everyone gets wasted and has a good time being silly on discord. Those are fun…
But yeah… when you get into all the drama that can come with being in a semi serious guild – it’s really frustrating… You end up with people having cliques that you may or may not be a part of… then there is the A team and the B team… and all the drama that comes with people wanting to run with the people who actually clear content… vs running with their alts or all the people who are kinda terrible or have crappy attitudes.
Sometimes you end up with people being complete maniacs about DPS like it’s the only thing that matters… people talking crap cause person X does more DPS than person Y even though person Y has better gear or whatever… all this ugly elitism comes out of people.
Then people stop showing up to raids and everyone’s night is ruined even if you canceled IRL plans to be there… There are just too many things that can go wrong – especially when you can get a similar vibe by running Mythic+ with the squad.
I feel ya, did it for 10+ years and now the thought of raiding is ick to me. Personally, I was hoping for more world content so I could just go at my own pace but that doesn’t really seem to be the case (which is cool) but likely won’t sustain me past leveling my alts.
My wife and I would routinely joke about this one guys dps I used to raid with. Like man, stubbed my toe and it hurt, good thing that chairs dps is like so-and-so’s and I’m fine. She didn’t even play, it just became this around the house inside joke.
Anyway she came in my office one day mad trash talking when my mic was on in the middle of the raid. Was hilarious. So basically had to publicly roast the dude on disc. Because his dps was so low it started on inside jokes out of game.
He was a cool dude though, and I didn’t mind helping him through the raid. We laughed it off and continued to carry him through content. He did help us with consumables at least lol.
This happened in the last guild I was in. Mythic Raid guild. Won’t bench someone because they put gold in the guild bank. Yikes. Miss me with that, didn’t know I’m paying for this guy’s carry.
Yeah and that was terrible design because it meant no one did dungeons for any reason except for a little bit before the raid came out, then no one did anything all week after the raid was finished since you can’t do the raid more than once per difficulty per week.
The game is far superior with an actual grind for PvE (m+)
If you could actually grind the raids I.E do them more than once per week they would be a lot more popular.
@Viorin It’s not sad at all. Most people don’t care about the story or at least, if they do they really aren’t showing it. No one ever really talks about the story except to diss it like how people disliked the jailer.
I used to be a fairly serious raider in the WotLK Era, and I did 2-3 raid nights a week for most of TBC classic…
But man, I’m not gonna raid a single non-LFR in DF unless I really feel a mood come on. Retail raiding at higher difficulties just feels like punishment lol
The problem with that is that raids have lower replay value than M+.
With M+, your experience is a lot different depending on your party comp and affixes in play. With the raid, it is always the same thing. “Scripted” is a meme when it comes to DIFFICULTY but is true when it comes to replay value. Once you’ve killed a boss, you’ve probably seen it enough for repeat pulls to be a bit boring. There are few few bosses that are ever fun to rekill outside of just getting the loot. AOTC Sire was fun to rekill for Dreadfire Vessel… I guess Heroic Council was kind of fun? Heroic Painsmith? Anduin perhaps (not Jailer). You maybe have at most 2 encounters per raid worth replaying, but that’s 20% of the raid. Less actually, because of all the trash in the way.
High end raid was much more enjoyable with a 10 man team, the move to 20man Mythics was the beginning of the end for me when it came to progression raiding.
Lmao poor guy, that’s great he was cool about getting roasted by your wife lmao.
Harder to find people who have a good sense of humor than it is to teach people how to DPS imo. Lmao.
Sorry but I never said they’re telling me specifically and if you read it that way I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear. I said the raid group explains the bosses and then we wipe and then they explain it again. It’s not about me it’s about the whole group. We’re all forced to sit and listen and wait or watch a video again on the boss… it’s boring and it has nothing to do with me it’s just “part of the raid”. It’s not as if the Guild Leader is speaking directly to me.
Trying to see how people think this is true. It was the hay day of the game. It has never had more subscribers than when this was the actual game. It was WotLK that still kept this nostalgia and then since then the game has fallen in sub with the random xpac drop rise and fall… The game has less subs now than it did when the game was designed this way.
Yeah I tend to stop showing up eventually. That definitely happens and it’s not just me either.
@Holyeyes Just because more people played does not mean it was good design, the game simply was newer at the time so it had more players. Not every game grows numbers, most lose numbers it doesn’t mean the game is worse or better. WOTLK was popular because people like Arthas for whatever reason and it was the end of Arthas’ story and people cared about that story. Yeah the raids were good in WOTLK and that helps A LOT but what would also help is if you could actually grind raids instead of one and done for the week.
If the game had gotten better with the design it has now it would not keep dropping in numbers, people would be coming back to play it. Its a new xpac with new stuff… Its still new even if it is and old game
Yes it would keep dropping in numbers. People get tired of things.
People like you are annoying to talk to… Obviously there’s people who do care about the story and if the story is good more people will care. They used Arthas to get more people on board with the story just like they used Illidan. It helps their numbers but most players play the game for the game not the story after all, it’s not a book.
If you asked 10000 players if they read the quests/story and skipped cutscenes I guarantee you most would say yes.
Sad part is Blizzard did this via too many damn mechanics in the last 2 raids released. Personally believe this is due to the World First race, kinda silly to have the race over in 3 to 4 hours.
Am waiting to see what they release with this first raid, but if any heroic boss is taking more than 30 pulls to kill… yeah I’m out as that is zero fun
