My friends list shows most arent logging in anymore. Why?

Just another day in World of Confirmation Bias-craft…

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Who cares either way. People who like it will play and people who don’t will bail. :man_shrugging: who cares, life continues :laughing:

Yup, pretty much.
The difference is just how big of a drop off an expansion potentially has. I suspect Blizzard have enough bored, ‘loyal’ players who if anything, stick around for the collecting or whatever,… the ‘hardcore’ pretenders PVPing enough to really keep numbers reasonably in a good area.

We may just get some shareholder speech that won’t really tell us clearly how well SL is doing.

Blizzard has a habit of lumping WoW with Overwatch and every other Blizzard game into a MAU (monthly active user) so you never get a true indication of WoWs subscription numbers. They’ve been hovering around 30-32 mil MAU which is down from 36 mil a few years ago. So if it goes up 4 mil inbetween Q3-Q4 then that means Shadowlands was a blow out and added a couple of mil users.

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Yea a lot of those are my reasons why I canceled. Expires in about a week. Hopefully next content patch is good and brings me back but ah well. Good to take a pause on occasion. I will say I surprised myself how fast I canceled post expac launch, usually the hype lasts longer.

I have a friend I made on halo 3 over summer 2008(?) That hasn’t been online since then but I can’t bring myself to remove them.

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I have a friend that died in a car accident that I met through WoW and I’ll never remove them from my friends list.

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Op,they’ve complete the main campaign so most of what’s left is reputation grind .They’ll be back when the second phase starts.

Yeah I have a few hours left, usually just go month intervals.
And it’s definitely surprising… reminds me of BFA’s drop off. BFA just had a hard time recovering and right now there are still lots of players I suspect that are still playing… specifically the pvpers, and raid loggers who enjoy just the smaller time investment.

Me without a guild, or friends for end game, stuck in my own comfort zone, and little outside pve content being interesting or rewarding has definitely been turning me away from it, not to mention professions needing much more gold to get going when crafts sell for less on my servers so making gold that I liked to do also took a hit.

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Blizzard spoiled people with all the welfare purples. And now that loot is more normalized people are throwing fits

Blizzard created this entitlement

This part is true, however most of the hardcore players have already completed all the in game content now.

Most of SL is (IMO) very forgettable.

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Entitlement? I think you misunderstood people’s criticism of the game.
What they had in BFA was a lot. What they have now is barely anything and majority now are PVPing because of it to just get by.

There is no entitlement in 90% of the feed back, just genuine subjective takes that hurt their motivation to even bother with the game.

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That’s how it works, you have the pre-launch hype, where basically a lot of people are back, and they are around until reach max level leaving until X.3 to the new expansion.

People that usually will not leave are the ones that have the focus on achievements, mounts, pets, and “casual” stuff, usually they don’t care too much with the current xpac.

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People think that they deserve constant rewards everytime they show up to something

It was never like that until blizzard started pouring out epics for every trivial task.

I have noticed this in my own thought process too. I use to go weeks without upgrades and now I’m frustrated when I go a night of raiding without one. It’s what they created. Gear felt so meaningless in BfA because it just rained from every corner of the world. Now it’s more rare and I’ve found myself more excited for loot than I did with the raging dumpster fire that was BfAs loot.

That’s your subjective take, people don’t want constant rewards everytime they show up, you are being a tad close minded to the criticisms.

You like doing, 5, 10, 20, 30 of say a boss kill, or dungeon and not getting anything 'cause it feels better.

Others don’t.

Games like this are centered around ‘rewards’ vs. time invested.
If people spend say 3 hours, 10 hrs, 30 hrs, and only get a pittance then it’s going to feel bad for 'em 9 times outta ten and they’ll just rethink if doing said content is even worth it.

They set content to be way less rewarding in every aspect of this game except probably PVP now and that’s turning more people away from bothering with more than the bare minimum if any at all.

It’s the forums. It’s completely full of subjective takes lol

You should get something for showing up, example TBC Badges, But instead we get 35 anima

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I guess we have nothing to talk about further.

Which is why I didn’t address that brick you wrote that could’ve been summarized by saying “I disagree”

Not everyone shares the same opinions and you are entitled to hold yours

It’s a discussion forum, if you throw points that are false, I kinda discuss it and reply with a rebuttal. If you wanted an echo chamber and didn’t want to read 8 or so lines then that’s on you.