My dying wish: Blood Elf Druid

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There are still some alive. And Belf culture is specifically the opposite of their distant cousins on purpose.

No mortal who twists and forces Nature to work for their cause after themselves or their ancestors almost wiped out the Nelfs and the planet twice is going to be accepted by the Wild Gods or the Dream.

We specifically killed those Botanists for their heinous crimes against Nature.

Belfs don’t need another class and they especially should never have Druids.

There’s no Wild Gods or Emerald Dream associated with Mages to stop them from practicing. Letting back in some Highborne to help stop the Horde from destroying what’s left of their lands was done solely out of necessity. They still aren’t trusted and are barely tolerated.

Belf druids are nowhere near the same thing. Twisting Arcane around Nature to force it to do their bidding is not how being a druid works. Nor should it. Ever.

It wouldn’t be. They’re the same as Belfs. They enslave Nature and twist it into whatever they want for sheer power only. No Wild God would work with them and they’d never be allowed into the Dream. We killed their Botanist, too, for his crimes against Nature. They barely cared that a tree helped save them and completely ignore its existence now.

They’re mages, not druids. That was retconned in WCIII on purpose to distinguish Helfs from Nelfs and separate their culture. The runestones were protection barriers, not weather controllers.

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Actually the elves were very in tune with nature and you should look up the definition of imperialism, because they were the opposite. They were actively isolationist up to the second war, and only because of the threat from the Orcs did they come out of their forests.

The problem is the arcane thing, and Legion solved this as we have arcane based druidism as the whole plotline of the nightborne.

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The “some” who are still alive are either Nightborne, or returned to the Night elves. There are no “Highborne” among the Blood elves who existed during the war of the Ancients.

Those “ancestors” were a product of Night elf society, they have a responsibility for the events that occurred as well. You produce a corrupt Tyrant of a Queen who can rule their nation with impunity, you can’t then turn around and say you had no hand in it. Otherwise the Highborne are just as guiltless as the night elves.

We didn’t kill them for their “crimes” against Nature, we killed them because they had allied themselves with Kael’thas. in fact, a Night elf from the cenarion expedition sends you to retrieve High Botanist Freywinn’s research notes to use for herself.

I honestly could care less whether or not Blood elves get Druids, because it’s not a class fantasy I particularly favor, but if we’re going by lore its certainly possible, especially if they use the same method Freywinn employed.

But if Night elves can have a class fantasy surrounding the “Arcane” which is quite literally the opposite to their culture, then Blood elves can have nature. Can’t give Night elves mages, and then tell Blood elves they can’t have druids.

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Almost positive there’s been reference to them in the game or literature somewhere. I’ll go research when I have time.

No, they were a product of Highborne society. Night Elf society is centered around Druidism once the Highborne were brought down. And the Highborne refused to integrate into the Night Elf society and nearly killed everyone again before they got thrown out.

Which doesn’t suddenly mean “it’s okay to twist Nature and force it to meld with other powers to do my bidding.” It means she wanted to see what they were doing. As druids always do in these situations.

It’s not. Because that’s not Druidism. At all.

So you skipped over everything I said about this point and still want to double down, eh? You’re wrong. That’s not a valid point. Stop trying to use “BUT MAGE” as some equivalent to Druidism.

Literally went over this. But keep tunnel visioning. I’m not replying to you again in this, since you cherry pick and ignore main points.

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Because this makes sense in the lore

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I’d be very interested to hear about them considering the oldest Blood elf in recorded history was around 3,000 years, at least according to the Blood of the Highborne novel.

Who do you think created the Highborne? Night elves. They’re all immortal beings that have played their parts in the development of their culture and people, creating a monarchy that conditioned a tyrant to rule their society. The night elves are not innocent.

Welcome to High elves/Blood elves? They’ve been using magic to control the nature around them for over ten thousand years. All of Eversong, and it’s wildlife have been shaped by their magic, if they wanted to go the next step as High Botanest Frewyinn did, nothing suggests they couldn’t.

No she sends you to collect his notes so she can learn, and teach them to you. She suggests High Botanest Freywinn because she had heard a rumor that he had written a comprehensive botany guide that could assist her.

If you’re going to argue that “belves” have enough classes, or how “druids” don’t fit their fantasy, then Night elves using “arcane” and having mages is most certainly relevant.

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This.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, i think Blood Elf Druids would be pretty cool. But Pandaren Druids have so much potential, and fit Druid way more imo.

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Pandaren already have Wild Gods and could have their forms. At least that makes sense.

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Yes, and they actually respect nature. Druid fits them perfectly.

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you are using past tense correctly, blood elves have an imperialistic style that druids do not fit

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I don´t want druid class for the Belves precisely because the image of them becoming just another second rate minion of Malfurion et al makes me die inside (I mean, what´s Hammuul but a mere minion whose more relevant act in this game was to get cooked live back in Cata?)…

The Belf portrayal is waay bigger and waay more interesting than this. IF the devs HAVE TO (fun fact: they don´t have to) implement this class combo, I hope they ujustify it as coming from interaction with Zandalari and DK trolls.

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the rangers and the darkspear saved a bear lynx owl and eagle loa native creatures to that area. and we know the loa are technically wild gods and you can get druid powers from them (zandalari as an example) its not odd specially with how many races the blood elves are allies with that into druidism not to mention they use to have many druids pre 3rd war when 90% of their people died out.

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Give us NE paladins in exchange?

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there are night elf paladins in the paladin orderhall.

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So Blizzard just needs to add a BE druid in the druid order hall and we are all good :slight_smile:

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the blood elf botanists are basically belves version of resto druid. and so they have had druids in the old preretcon lore so why not bring them back and at the same time give night elves paladins yall should have them their just warrior and priest mixed.

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here is some quick reading . blood elves btw they live as long as night elves. “This is senseless. This invasion is senseless,” Malfurion said softly. “Brother, we should not be enemies.”

Lorash’s daggers lay several feet away from him. They might as well have been worlds away. He had two shurikens tucked in his sleeves, but that was it. He had no doubt he would die if he tried to throw them. Not unless he could distract Stormrage.

“The rest of the Horde, I can fathom. Sylvanas, I can fathom,” Malfurion continued, “but our peoples once lived together. We fought together in the same wars, and we died for one another. It was true long ago, and it was true only a few months ago, out on the Broken Isles. There should be no divide between my kaldorei and your sin’dorei.”

Lorash hissed through the root that gripped his throat. “And who created that divide, Stormrage?

Who exiled my people?”

“I remember the faces of those who left that day. Yours was not among them,” Malfurion said. “Are you invading my homeland because you heard stories from before you were born? Or are you blindly following orders from your fallen warchief? I cannot decide which is worse.”

Lorash still wasn’t dead. That surprised him greatly. Malfurion wants to talk. A leader of the night elf people genuinely believed that the blood elves had no reason to take part in this battle.

Lorash was happy to educate him.

“Yes, that all happened before I was born,” he said. “I was born in Tirisfal Glades. As a child, I had to flee with my family and all the rest. I remember wandering for years. I remember a long winter trapped in the mountain peaks. I remember my father hunting despite the cold, losing one finger to the frost, then two. I remember one day he never returned at all. How many of your people have frozen to death, Malfurion? Do we share that history, too?”

Malfurion did not answer. Lorash smiled inwardly. He could not use his daggers, but he could still make Stormrage bleed.

“I remember centuries of warfare against the trolls,” Lorash continued. “I remember seeing pieces of my childhood friends decorating the huts and villages of the Amani. Trophies, you see. Was it the kaldorei who came to our aid in those days? No. I remember the day death itself marched on our new homeland. When my mother died and was raised into the Lich King’s army, who had to kill her and put her to rest? Was it you, Malfurion, who stood with us as we lost our homeland?”

“My people had just repelled the Burning Legion and, in doing so, lost our homeland,” Malfurion said sharply. “And despite the years of war between our two factions, we never attacked your home.

We have never even dreamed of it.”

“I have dreamed of little else,” Lorash said.
A Good War by Robert Brooks (worldofwarcraft.com)

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Lorash is inconsistent, and unreliable.

Generally Blood elves live to about 3,000 years old.

Blood elves can potentially reach up to several thousand years of life.[34] It appears that physical maturation is roughly on par with human aging, as seen with several young elves (such as Valeera Sanguinar, who was a child during the Scourge invasion yet physically mature a few years later), though only up to a point. The aging process appears to even out at around their physical peak before their aging becomes more sporadic and typically elven.

How fast they age precisely is unknown, but the oldest of their kind seem to be roughly 3,000. Anasterian Sunstrider, the High King of Quel’Thalas, was extremely long-lived, having presided over a number of long-standing conflicts and died in around his three-thousandth year. By this time, his physical appearance had become elderly and wizened, suggesting that typical blood/high elven old age is induced around that time period. Lady Liadrin specifically attributed his elderly appearance to his 3,000 years of age in Blood of the Highborne.[3]

In addition to this, the blood elven engineers in the Secret Level Powerup tell Prince Kael’thas that they “built Dalaran’s original defenses”. Given that the events of the Secret Level Powerup take place in the Third War and the original defenses of Dalaran were erected almost 2700 years prior to this, this would lead us to assume that the engineers themselves were older than this. However, because of the fact the blood elven engineers only exist in a secret level, the extent of which they are canonical is debatable, as specified in their article. Jaina Proudmoore also mentions that the Sunreavers contain members who had taught humans magic to begin with, implying that some among them are over two thousand years old. This was further muddied by the addition of Lorash Sunbeam, a blood elf whose backstory explicitly puts his age at over 7,000: he was born after the exile of the Highborne, but before Quel’Thalas was founded, meaning that he was a Highborne night elf and among those who gained high elf forms after the creation of the Sunwell. This would make Lorash by far the oldest known Thalassian elf in the lore, but also creates inconsistencies.

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By this logic, the territorial expansion of the night elves is also imperialism and they can no longer be druids by your standard. And zandalari. And darkspear trolls. And kultiran. And worgen. And even tauren and highmountain tauren for joining the horde at all.

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ruled by highborne at the time

but yeah, most of the lore is trashed anyway