My 420 ilvl brewmaster monk cant even solo tank a heroic LFG dungeon

[Sanaera-wyrmrest-accord]

@anon46447909

420ilvl was near bis ilvl in s1 m+ and my 420ilvl monk tank cant even do a heroic dungeon without dying sigh. my 420 ilvl bear druid tanks no problem even without using iron fur.

This is a learn to play issue

[Akston-area-52]

We went from “my bm cant tank heroic dungeons at 420” to “my BM cant tank without a healer and without using 1/2 my abilities”

[Dartakan-ragnaros (Dartakan)]

@anon46447909

yes. two main problems of brewmaster is that it has 0 passive healing/absorbs and it is super squishy (my OP shows my lower ilvl ret dps has more baseline armor and phys dmg mitigation compared to a higher ilvl tank spec…).

because monk’s armor is so low and has almost no passive healing/absorb except brew shield (assuming healing gcds aren’t used to max dmg gcds), monk tank is heavily reliant on a healer and huge amounts of mastery (dodge) and agility (stagger: dmg converted to an extended and removable dot). almost all the other tanks with 420ilvl can solo heroic dungeons no problem without any active healing or a healer, not sure about dk’s passive healing outside of their cds.

Use expel harm more and better time your purifying brews, dont just mindlessly spam them. I “solo” +18 tyrannical bosses on my brewmaster, monk self sustain is fine.

[Eninya-area-52]

Damn, that’s crazy. I watch my key BRM solo bosses in a +20 at 440 iLvl.

[anon46447909]

@Dartakan-ragnaros

bosses

bosses/one target are way easier for a monk tank than +20 adds btw

whole point of tanking +20 adds is to speed run through the heroic dungeon as fast as possible, not to stall on one boss

[Lilîth-spirestone]

Depending which goal post we’re aiming toward now, I took it upon myself to dust off my monk at 417 item level and solo some heroics for…science.
The ONLY dungeon that gave me a hard time was BH. That one took a couple deaths to get past, but otherwise they can be done solo if played well.
Now this second thing the OP has added about not using any healing buttons…that’s just foolish. Brew isn’t designed to have sustain for days. It’s just made to delay damage. It’s written into the very definition of the stagger mechanic.

So in short, YES brew can solo heroic dungeons at 420 and lower item levels.
It will be much more difficult if you choose to handicap yourself by not using your abilities , or if you try to pull like a train. But if you play somewhat smart and mash the right buttons, it’s very doable.

Now I’m going to go back to my paladin

[Akston-area-52]

In the same logic. I wonder if death knights can solo heroic dungeons without every using any ability that heals them, either

Really weird to arbitrarily handicap tanks and their abilities in this off the wall bonkers scenario.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@anon46447909

in a heroic dungeon without a healer or using healing gcds

So you moved goalposts, gimped yourself without using your buttons and you’re wondering why you can’t tank on your monk.

[anon46447909]

@Lilîth-spirestone

I took it upon myself to dust off my monk at 417 item level and solo some heroics for…science.

did u tank +20 adds nonstop without a healer while constantly doing max dmg with max dmg talents (not using gcds for healing)? it’s near impossible without spamming healing, going full defense/stagger talents, and kiting. that’s what i meant by speed running heroic LFG dungeons for the fast bonus loot bag. my druid/pal tank does this no problem

@Sendryn-sentinels

gimped yourself without using your buttons

not sure what u mean by gimped, i meant by maxing dmg buttons for fastest speed runs. 420 ilvl monk tank cant do it in heroics without spam healing+kiting, going full defense/stagger talents, and a healer. my druid/pal tank chills with near 100% hp doing max dmg

[Lilîth-spirestone]

You keep trying to make new reasons why other people doing it doesn’t make your statement false.
Stop moving the goal posts friend.

And to answer your question

@anon46447909

did u tank +20 adds nonstop without a healer while constantly doing max dmg with max dmg talents (not using gcds for healing)?

I was doing my standard tanking rotations as Brew. Some of which include expel harm after RSK and a healing ability or two. I actually like my healers and make it a point to self sustain as much as I can so they can worry about the group damage.
And I did pull to the first boss of RLP just to see if I could. So that’s 15 or 16 mobs plus some welplings I stepped on getting there. Including the 3 big fellas on the way there. I won’t say it didn’t get dicey a time or two, but I lived it and went into the boss with some cds left and 80% or higher HP.

To voluntarily NOT use abilities to facilitate a failure is just dumb. Be better.

[anon46447909]

@Lilîth-spirestone

I actually like my healers and make it a point to self sustain as much as I can so they can worry about the group damage.

talking about soloing a heroic dungeon with 420 ilvl tanks doing max damage speed runs without a healer, not regular m+

my druid/pal tank does this no problem. just my monk tank dies nonstop because of the issues listed in my OP. a 420 ilvl tank that usually tanks +15-20 keys season 1 m+ should never struggle in a heroic LFG dungeon by now. it’s monk’s terrible baseline dmg reduction and heavy reliance on mastery and agility (even more reliance on haste at high ilvl when shuffle pretty much staggers all ur dmg)

[Tkmonk-thrall]

You are just bad.

And trolling.

[anon46447909]

since u’re a monk, u tried tanking +20 adds nonstop with max dps gcds and max dmg talents without using healing/absorb gcds (just 1-2 expel harms) without kiting and a healer in heroic LFG dungeon with 420 ilvl (u’re 440)?

only my druid and pally tank can and the other tanks prolly can too but i don’t play them

[Bluntsmokr-tichondrius]

maybe if you don’t want to get good at pushing your monk buttons you should play dh so that you can have fewer buttons and a bunch of them will heal you

[anon46447909]

has nothing to do with skill. its baseline design is flawed. think in bfa/shadowlands monk’s tank armor was nerfed

[Maizou-proudmoore (Maizou)]

@Guuah-wyrmrest-accord

I’m gonna go on a limb and just say you may just not understand BM tanking.

I understand Brewmaster tanking and I do understand they are perfectly capable of doing high stuff - but I do agree that I don’t enjoy the element of RNG involved in Brewmaster self healing.

They should really just generate healing spheres every X seconds rather than a random % chance to spawn them. I understand that would probably create less chance for bursty healing, but it gets annoying when I’m tanking something in the overworld like the boss at the suffusion camp and not a single healing sphere spawns for like 90 seconds so I die.

[Tkmonk-thrall]

I can run through entire heroic dungeons without stopping, without a healer. I don’t understand what the heck you are whining about.

I have a 422 dh, a 427 dk, a 400 pally and a 440 monk. All of them are capable of speed running a heroic with 0 effort.

You are bad.

And still trolling.

[Kiofea-illidan]

[Floweret-stormreaver]

I don’t think you know how monk works.

[Adilith-barthilas]

@anon46447909

420ilvl was near bis ilvl in s1 m+ so my 420ilvl monk tank should not be struggling in a heroic dungeon solo,

Skill issue.