I’ll bite… it is not the same outcome btw, but since you asked here is how I am killing people in pvp. Literally any class that doesn’t have trinket or bubble dies to this 100% btw.
Full pve raid spec assa with 2/5 seal fate and 5/5 for mutilate dam
cheap shot > mutilate (4cp or 5cp depending slightly on RNG) > kidney shot > mutilate > depending on hp and deadly poison rng I can do a number of things here including cold blood envenom, another mutilate into an envenom or if really bad RNG I can just eviscerate. At this point they are dead 100%, if not continue spamming mutilates and envenoms.
my instant poison alone is doing over 1k damage in that opener btw against any class including plate
They either need to put Mutilate back to 60 energy or buff EVERY other hand rune. I play rogue tank and I want to use Main Gauche but Mutilate is wayyyyy too good.
Friend: what do you play?
Me: Rogue.
Friend: oh nice. What’s the rota…….?
Me: mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate mutilate
the reality is that mutilate needs a nerf and it’s insanely obvious, the only problem is that rogue players are somehow sitting there and complaining because mutilate is literally so op they cannot play anything else and if they just nerf it w/o buffing anything else (or they do buffs and they aren’t good) they will cry so much
Mutilate being the best spec for rogues is good for game balance, because otherwise nobody would use daggers and there would be even more competition for swords/maces.
I dont actually think mutilate needs a nerf. Its not nearly the most op or broken thing in pvp. Boomies are still critting people for 2.5k and everything deletes you instantly. Paladins are still super gross and even warriors are starting to hit like freight trains. The bottom line is pvp damage is just overall too high
I want Recoup as a rune. The problem is that Recoup isn’t gonna do jack squat against all this burst we have now. Wtf is Recoup gonna do against Lavaburst? Nothing, unless your first instinct was to flee, then you maybe survive while running away unstealthed because everyone and their mommy has a way to keep Rogues out of stealth, deleting 50% of your potency.
This is why I don’t think Rogues need a nerf. They can be countered and the Rogue has to play perfectly, but it can be done. Their weakness is already there.
If they were to add to Recoup we would also need Cheat Death and I just don’t see that happening. The only answer is Cloak of Shadows.
Cloak of shadows and crimson vial sound better tbh. Defo need cloak for the dot spammers since blizzard wants to give every single caster in the game their own dots.