Moving the Kaldorei off Kalimdor completes the Horde's attempt at genocide instead of safeguarding against it

Amirdrassil is being presented not just as a home but as THE home. The home they all need, the home that was promised, the home to summon them all and in the dream bind them :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

If it wasn’t nothing about it would make sense. This is the one home.
Does this mean that 100% of all night elves are moving to Amirdrassil and players will never ever see a night elf outside of it?
Obviously not but for all intents and purposes all the night elves are going home.
And that home is Amirdrassil.

Yes! It is a holy land!! :grinning:
But the Nordrassil thing wasn’t really a permament solution, the Night Elves were leaderless, homeless and divided. They were staying with the druids at Nordrassil but it wasn’t their new home apparently.

As I said the tree is the solution for another problem, i understand why it doesn’t make sense but it is what it is.

As I have said several times now. You will be returning to upgraded 4 houses and 7 NPCs but the Amirdrassil story establishes that its going to be the new home for ALL the Night Elves.
The genocide of their race has brought us back to a new home and all the survivors, all the Night Elves from the four corners of the Azeroth world map are coming back to this one central location as their new home.
Thats the story. Does it mean its impossible to see them elsewhere? No that would be very stupid but their home is now Amirdrassil and they are all going towards it.

Thats the story. You can hide behind the “ok but not all of them! You can’t confirm 100%” and thats true but for what matters, the story is making it clear that the capital H home of the Night Elves is Amirdrassil rather than Kalimdor.

Not sure what your point is, we are in agreement that Amirdrassil is the new capital city. I’m just saying that Kalimdor is not going to be abandoned, which you seem to agree with, if I’m reading correctly. Though it is hard to tell because you are straddling the fence by acknowledging that Kalimdor would continue to have some Nelf presence in a hypothetical revamp, but also making the bold claim that “all the night elves” are moving to Amirdrassil. Both can’t be true at the same time, so I am going to assume that you are speaking in hyperbole and not literally.

And “But for what matters” is subjective, you are not an authority on that point. The state of old zones matters to me, and apparently others since it has led to so much heated debate. Even if we don’t see it in-game for quite some time (or ever) Some people like to get into the details of the lore and others dont.

If WoW wasn’t a video game, it would have made a lot more sense to put the home in Nordrassil. The choice to put a tree in the Dragon Isles seems to be mostly a gameplay/ mechanics-based one. As having current content in the current zones is more important than the story (which we both must admit is not a priority for most players). I was flying around this morning, it is really a beautiful zone and I’m glad it exists. But it wouldn’t have made sense to plop it across the street from Cataclysm.

From a Blizzard perspective, I also understand why they keep trying to move the old world back to the Cata-era status quo. Even though these zones are old, we do occasionally return to them from time to time (like the Felwood quest) and they need the zones to be similar enough that we can suspend disbelief that we didn’t just go back in time

Tyrande and the Night Elves will go to live in the Dragon Isles for the new tiny capital and they will stay over there. :pensive:

They will abandon their ancestral home (Hyjal), their ancestral lands (Darkshore, Ashenvale, Felwood, Winterspring) and their old allies from Kalimdor (Draenei, Worgen, Furbolgs, Dryads, Keepers of the grove, Ancients, Treants, Wisps, Wildkin, Faerie dragons, Nightsabers, Frostsabers, Hippogryphs, Ashenvale chimaeras) for a tiny small area in the Dragon Isles as new capital. :pensive:

With this exodus, the Night Elves don’t own these territorries anymore because they leave to live on the Dragon Isles in their new tiny area. Horde is the true winner of the Darshore battle. There are to many resources for the Horde so it won’t let them alone. Darkshore, Ashenvale, Felwood, Winterspring and Hyjal will belong to the Horde now. :pensive:

Hyjal could get a rewamp but no they need to go to live in the Dragon Isles and in a tiny area (even Darnassus was bigger than this tiny area).

Of course, Blizz seems to totally forget they already a home in Kalimdor: Hyjal and they win the Darshore battle. They “defied” the Alliance, Tyrande risked madness and death, they collectively rose up and pushed back the invaders all so that they could reclaim their homeland (the lands which they fought and died for back) just to leave it after retaking Darkshore, Ashenvale and of course, clean the Felwood of all curruption.

Truly Blizz destroyed what I liked in the Night Elves in Warcraft III. Still live in Kalimdor was the last thing for me to be connected to Warcarft III. Now these Night Elves aren’t the Night Elves from Warcraft III I liked in Warcraft and the previous expansions of World of Warcraft. They are something else and I can’t enjoy it anymore with all these bad stuffs we got. :pensive:

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the home of the orcish horde is Durotar now.
Does that mean there is no Orc in outland? in black rock? elsewhere? No.

Its the same with Kalimdor and the Night Elves, their new home is Amirdrassil in the dragon isles. Thats where everybody is migrating to and settling in as the new home.

Will players see night elves elsewhere. But is that their main home? no. Makes sense?
Again a hypothetical world revamp is a big big big big big if.

Until then Darkshore is blasted by two wars and cataclysm. Ashenvale is half deforested and half burnt with lots of people either dead or evacuated. Everybody at teldrassil that died is still dead and all the survivors of the war are effectively moving to Amirdrassil from their multi year refugee journey.

Just because you see a couple Night Elves here and there doesn’t mean the homeland of the Night Elves hasn’t been relocated.

If this wasn’t a video game the Horde should have been dismantled, all their leaders killed and maaaaaaaaaybe the Night Elves would be located in Nordrassil.
Anything else would be one quick road to the next extinction event.

Once again, I don’t disagree with the fact that Amirdrassil is the new central location for Night Elves. Just like Stormwind is the central location for Humans and Orgrimmar is the central location for Orcs. But to your point, there are Orcs in Blackrock mountain and humans in Lorderon, so why aren’t we allowed to point out that there are most likely still going to be Night Elves in Kalimdor?

So what I am disagreeing with is your oversimplification of the lore by using terms like “everybody” and “all the survivors”. I understand that you are focusing on the “big picture” and can respect that, but a lot of people including myself like to go deeper into the lore and there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that

The actual real reason was so that developers could draw a bunch of bare midriff women warriors.

Anyone who says that there will be zero Night Elf presence in Kalimdor is dumb, even dumber if they think this will translate into gameplay.
But from what I have read and what I have seen the statements of the new central location being moved from Kalimdor to Dragon isles is a valid complaint.

They can call it abandonment, exile, loss etc and etc because the central, main location is being relocated.

Its not an over simplification its the main message and point of the current story. What you are holding up as nuance or “depth” is the writers placing the little firewalls to keep everybody happy.

!!!THE NIGHT ELVES ARE MOVING TO THEIR NEW HOME AMIRDRASSIL!!!
ok but not all of them ok? so dont worry. (DF)

!!!THE NIGHT ELF SOULS ARE BEING OBLITERATED BY THE JAILER!!! OMG STOP HIM!!!
ok but but not all of them ok? so dont worry. (SL)

!!!SYLVANAS IS RAISING THE DEAD NIGHT ELVES TO SERVE THE HORDE!!!
but not everybody ok? so dont worry. (BFA)

its not depth its barriers so Blizzard won’t have to deal with absolutes and pull any story rabbit out of the hat when they need. Its still going to make people upset and react to it and the little disclaimer at the bottom of “its not all of them, no worries” is not going be acceptable by anyone.

Wow, a lot of talking past each other and not at each other going on in here.

Feels like you can draw whatever conclusion you wish with the context clues we have. They are going to refuse to give a 100% straight answer about the matter because it would not behoove them to do so. They want to keep the door open to a kalimdor reboot, complete with kaldorei that seemingly manifest out of the ether.

The only thing I want to make sure its perfectly understood is that people are right to be upset about Amirdrassil and this new home relocation.
The message is clear and whatever little disclaimer Blizzard or other players uphold isn’t going to detract from the being upset about the overall message this patch is trying to send.

This is the biggest issue with WoW writing. Night Elves are written about more often so we see it happen more often with them.
Another example would be the Horde committed genocide… but not all of them!!! So no worries.
Yeah tell that to players who are upset about the villain bat and see how much the “not all of them” holds up.

Thats the point I am trying to get across.

This is probably as close to a common ground as we’re going to get - I agree on your point about the “main message”, but also think it is a disservice to the lore to not go any deeper than that and reduce it to a 3 bullet point summary. Which in a lore forum we should be allowed to do. I’m guessing most of us on here are not casual players and don’t have to reduce the story to a childrens-book level like you seem to want.

As long as people continue to speak with these vast hyperbolic exaggerations, they are going to attract Hermione Granger types like me who will say “um actually, the story is more complicated than that, blah blah blah”. You can argue until you’re red in the face that our perspective doesn’t matter, but considering that your opinion on what matters is not an objective truth, you will not be getting rid of this perspective.

People are reacting to the main message.
Their feelings are 100% absolutely valid and no amount using the disclaimer text that Blizzard left to give themselves wiggle room doesn’t add depth that you could later use to try and invalidate those feelings.

There is no depth in this story. Its all cringy comic book moments strung together to make a semblance of a coherent story at a cursory glance.
And this isn’t an opinion, its a fact, if you want to argue depth and nuance this isn’t the media to pick as a battle ground.

Your opinion is noted, but no, it is not a fact. You can make the point you want to make without trying to pass it off as some objective truth.

Where it concerns the level of writing and approach to a story by Blizzard so far?
No its objective truth.

When has Blizzard’s writing not been comic book tier? I’d argue they tend to get themselves in more trouble when they try to be serious writers than when they just embrace rule of cool.

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They are also on record to mention when the facts of the story get in the way they are quick to dismiss them in favor of whatever they want to tell.

Constant retcons and “PoV” stories used as a way to not commit to anything. Few hired writers that make those inter-expansion books have good things to say about their experience.
I don’t need to hold up BtS or Warcrimes to prove its horrifically bad. Whether we are talking about books or ingame stuff. its all extremely bad… why? because the story is not important, its not a priority.

World Soul saga is supposed to change all that. Lets see how they do.

I expect the Saga to still be a comic book just… a more thoughtfully written one. More of a Graphic Novel, I suppose to keep the analogy.

I agree, and its comic book moments will probably land better.

That’s why the avengers assemble cinematic was so cringe, even if they had animated it better. I imagine the next avengers assemble moment would actually land because they have it planned out ahead of time rather than some guy coming up with it last minute