We are not going to agree on this. But the posts are still archived here and I stand by what I say. Just because the headcanons were reactions to real (and questionable) content, it doesn’t mean they weren’t headcanons.
And then, for the 3rd? 4th? time now I am pointing to a source that says the kaldorei in the later days of the Empire did not have the same reverence for nature that the pre-Empire Kaldorei did.
Again, the burden of proof is now on you. I have presented evidence that weakens the foundations of yours. Even if it’s not a 100% disapproval, it is still something you need to address. You have not addressed it nor have you presented any additional evidence which undermines what I presented. I have already demonstrated how Chronicles and what is said in the encyclopedia aren’t mutually exclusive.
If the headcanons were reaction to real questionable content then they weren’t headcanons. But now we are arguing semantics rather than the issue.
I feel like it’s convenient to ignore that blizzard just openly changes things in the game even on a lore side based on feedback. There was evidence even for stuff you mentioned like the idea that the souls were destroyed, and it’s very likely based on their past actions that they changed it because of the backlash.
Unfortunately at some point, us lore-nuts need to accept that the Horde are more than half of the player base so the type of retribution that people craved was never going to happen. And gameplay will still trump story, in the end.
Its irrelevant. A holy land is a holy land regardless of how secular or how religious a society is.
The gameplay didn’t stop one player faction of committing a warcrime on the other faction. So this argument doesn’t really function.
Unless they actively reject the notion that it’s holy?
You. Need. To. Prove. The. Fact. That. They. Believed. It. Was. Holy. For. All. 15,000. Years. Of. The. Empire.
If you can’t do that, you are not arguing in good faith.
Who cares about lore retribution. Just stop destroying the identity of a race that’s already lost enough when the RTS series became an MMO. Leave them literally anything.
What I need to do is to prove that the land was a holyland to the Kaldorei.
I have proven that.
its gg. You are still fighting this because of some unrelated reasons to wow. You are squeezing yourself in a smaller and smaller box to justify what can be selectively applied.
And I have presented evidence against that which you have continuously refused to engage so I’m out. Have fun trolling on your level 30 mage alt to hide behind.
I’m sorry but I just truly disagree. You can definitely take a real story beat and warp it into a headcanon that is not supported by the actual story beat. It doesn’t stop being a headcanon just because it is a reaction.
We are not going to agree on this, and that is fine. It really isn’t worth re-visiting Shadowlands
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Evidence that according to your subjective opinion can be used to selectively separate and apply where you want to pander to your own personal biased beliefs.
Meanwhile I am just point out black on white text that says what it is.
I’m glad that you don’t want retribution (since it is never happening). But that is not the case for others in the community who are still upset about BFA.
Because the vast majority of people aren’t thinking logically when they say stuff like that. The only retribution the Alliance would want is retaking locations. They’ve made it clear they won’t do that regarding Forsaken stuff, at best you get Southshore in a book. MAYBE GILNEAS but they retcon that every 6 months they tweet about it. That one would actually be a fair desire if blizzard hadb’t basically been doing that same retcon or cut content cycle since Cata lmao.
So I have not been involved in your debate with Smallz but just want to point out that your definition of “evidence” is a little warped. In this conversation and others.
That’s funny because you still have yet to present anything to support your argument.
Were, not are.
It’s not, it’s been pretty clear.
My “argument” is that your evidence sucks and does not support the conclusions that you are trying to make.
So where is yours?