It doesn’t matter what you “think”. You don’t get to decide the direction of the story, the developers do. And clearly they do not agree with your conclusion.
That is fine if you are clarifying it to that now, the way you phrased it meant that all the night elves who didn’t live in Teldrassil are still living in Kalimdor, which is not true. But if you assume there are some still living in other places that is fine, but we know there are night elves from all over, not only night elves that lived in Teldrassil, moving to Amirdrassil.
No, you said “all the ones didn’t live in Teldrassil”, meaning the only ones that moved are the ones that lived in Teldrassil, maybe you mixed up Teldrassil with Amirdrassil and it seems you mean the night elves that remain on Kalimdor. The horde took Ashenvale and killed/displaced all the civilian population and no one is living in Darkshore, we don’t have any information on these areas having night elf civilians again, just that the military retook them after these civilian populations were killed/displaced.
Because Blizzard isn’t consistent in their answer, you keep posting like it’s some golden standard. The interviewee contradicts themself from one sentence to the next.
And let me ask you this. Suppose you are right and Amirdrassil is just their capital and they now live all over the world but focused in Amirdrassil. That satisfies the interviews claims that they can have many homes. But if the center of their civilization is Amirdrassil (and the rest of their population is scattered around wherever), it is exactly the problem I am describing in my OP.
Amirdrassil being their home base and them having holdings worldwide, is the problem. It means that only a fraction of their civilization is left in Kalimdor. That is the problem.
So, assuming the interview means what you think it does, the problem listed in my OP is still present.
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No it’s not.
Because you’re arguing as if Blizzard is having the Night Elves abandon Kalimdor. You are wrong. Not only can you supply no evidence of your claims, but we literally have the developers of the game story now saying “Yeah, no, we’re not picking up the Elves and Worgen and shoving them all in Amirdrassil as their only home. It’s just one of many.”
And apparently that’s not good enough for you either. Which IMO, that just tells me you’re here to argue and doompost and you’re not here to debate in good faith.
I DIRECTLY address that even if part of their population remains in Kalimdor, a mass exodus from Kalimdor is still a diaspora and a problem.
Anything short of keeping the vast majority of their people in Kalimdor is the problem I am describing in my OP.
Essentially the entire Night Elf population became refugees during the War of Thorns. Some seemed to go back to Hyjal and it seems like most went to Stormwind. If “only refugees” move to their new capital and new home “for their people”, then that means most Night Elves will live in the Dragon Isles. We already know the refugees from Hyjal are following Tyrande and we know the refugees in Stormwind are going to Amirdrassil.
So even if we take the idea that they Night Elves have patrols all over Kalimdor, it seems to be only their soldiers are left in Kalimdor.
Like I said before, I don’t think anyone is denying that Amirdrassil will be the new hub for the Nelfs. The main dispute was that you were arguing that the Night Elves were abandoning Kalimdor and giving it to the Horde. This is head canon, and was supported only through your circumstantial assumptions. When a piece of direct evidence from a developer contradicted this idea, you are now bizarrely trying to argue that Blizzard’s words shouldn’t be trusted and we should trust your speculative interpretation instead.
THERE IS NO MASS EXODUS!!
There’s no evidence of it!
At best a few NPCs from other Night Elf zones have appeared in and around Amirdrassil and have said that they’re looking for a new home or they should ‘face their future’. But that’s it. Nothing more.
Refugees have moved on from Stormwind. Which, you know, that’s been a long time coming, but those refugees didn’t have a home in Kalimdor to return to. So them packing up and going to live around Amirdrassil is perfectly fine.
i know
that is why i specify you misunderstand my meaning
everyone in darkshore is dead
everyone in ashenvale who was a civilian is gone or displaced
every
single
civilian
elf
so there is not a single civilian nelf in all of northern kalimdor?
he say:
‘what population is on kalimdor’
i say:
‘the ones that still live there’
i did not say anything about amirdrassil
??@!??!?!@?!??! YOU KEEP SAYING THEY HAVE ALL THEIR LANDS IN KALIMDOR BACK.
Which is it? Did they have a place to call home in Kalimdor or not?
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Teldrassil burned to the ground you absolute spanner.
That’s where all the refugees in Stormwind are from. Teldrassil.
Also, I added more to my post you replied to.
Again incorrect, you are trying to simplify it to change what you said was “all the night elves that didn’t live in teldrassil”, which is wrong, as more than just the surviving population of Teldrassil is living/moving to Amirdrassil.
There could be, blizzard refuses to update us on if there are night elf civilians living in norther Kalimdor. Even the night elf heritage quest is just night elf soldiers dying to demons in a cave, no actually updated information and you go there from Stormwind.
It’s clear at this point that you’re just being argumentative.
So until you actually start to debate in good faith, there’s no point continuing this discussion with you. I’ll engage with others in the thread who are using their brains.
having land does not mean they have their homes back
they cant go back to land that is actively being rebuilt
they do have their land back per what was said in the exploring azeroth: kalimdor book
does not mean that every single nelf that was displaced still has a home to go back to
they do
some call home amirdrassil
some call home northern kalimdor
you are wrong
i know what i said
you misunderstand what i am saying
i was not saying anything to do with amirdrassil
OK so what you’re saying is
- Their home was in Teldrassil
- Teldrassil was burned down
- Their home no longer exists “They don’t have a home in Kalimdor to return to”
- They are evacuated to Stormwind
- They are looking for a new home
- The Night Elves retake Northern Kalimdor
- The refugees choose to remain in Stormwind, because they don’t have a home in Kalimdor (This is already falling apart)
- Amirdrassil is a closely guarded secret that only “the champions” and certain other parties know about, for its security
- Because it is a secret, the refugees aren’t choosing to stay in Stormwind because they know Amirdrassil is coming
- The primalists find out about Amirdrassil through traitors/spies
- Now that the secret is out, everyone has to get involved
- Amirdrassil blooms (They don’t have a home in Amirdrassil, either. It’s just there. They have to start their civilization from scratch)
- Suddenly, they have a home to go to
- Somehow, it is less of a logistical stretch and less of a culture shock to go to the Dragon Isles than to return to Kalimdor and they chose the path of least resistance
Yes.
Well, more like their capital city.
It was a home, for some Elves that lived there.
Yes. For those Elves that lived there, yes.
Yes.
Yes.
The ones that lived in Teldrassil don’t. Yes.
Yup. Those Elves that lived in Teldrassil now have a new capital city to live in.
Some Elves that didn’t live in Teldrassil also want to live there too, to help support the new capital.
What’s so confusing about this to you?
He’s not debating in good faith, so just wait, he’ll make up some excuse why it’s not good enough.
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Yeah, they don’t seem to have their homes in Kalimdor back, even after 9 years wince WoT, including the 4 year time skip, which is something like 7 years after exploring kalimdor.
Ones that lived in Darkshore as well don’t and Ashenvale at the time was also taken over by the horde, there is no indication the civilians have returned to Ashenvale even after 9 years.
Amirdrassil was a secret, so why would they not take an opportunity to rebuild in Kalimdor, where they already have infrastructure and a connection to the land.
There’s no logical consistency for them not to have taken the chance to go back to Kalimdor. Amirdrassil is literally just an island with a tree and few hutts.
Northern Kalimdor has settlements, roads, their buried ancestors, Hyjal, etc.
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I still don’t understand why they didn’t make this the Night Elf capital. Teldrassil had not been around for that long of a time.
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