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were you there?
You all seriously MISSED THE STINKING POINT OF THE COMMENT LMAO

THEY WERE VERY OBVIOUSLY HORSING AROUND ON THE JOB
WITH ME STILL?
BUT THEY DID SOMETHING THAT WAS ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE ON THE JOB.
GETTING IT YET?

There was NO hint of a threat, nothing come from her or him that was anything BUT horsing around.
the POINT WAS AND IS THAT DOING THAT ON THE JOB IN FRONT OF OTHER EMPLOYEES ISNT APPROPRIATE…AND IS PRETTY MUCH SEXUAL HARASSMENT TO OTHER EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE TO SEE IT.

Do we ALL comprende now???

lmao :rofl:

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THERE…edited for clarity and so we can shut up about it and quit making it something it wasnt lmao

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Wow. Okay.

Not sure why you got angry. You shared a pretty “wow” kind of story, and I was engaging with it…talking to you about it.

I worked for a general contractor in commercial construction prior to becoming a mother, and I saw a lot of stuff on site. The only person who ever violated my person was another woman I worked with. She was obsessed with boobs and had no boundaries. She was forever talking about buying a boob job, and one day she walked into my office, and apparently the shirt I had on made her fixate on the notion that mine were bigger than hers and she full on double-handed grabbed my chest and gave 'em a triple squeeze.

I stood there frozen to the spot without a response for a good 20 seconds before I made a response of any kind, and I didn’t report her to HR. I didn’t want to make a nuisance out of myself. I remember that was my first thought. If I said anything, there would be paperwork and people would make a big deal out of it and she was well-liked among the managers so they’d be mad at me for causing her trouble.

Blah blah.

So I started wearing shirts two sizes too big to work. That’s how I responded. I was NOT okay with it.

That’s the background of my response to your post…which was conversational in tone and meant to engage with you on the subject. Not sure why you chose to go all-caps bananas on me.

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more stats…
Just looking at pregnancy discrimination we can easily see even ONE aspect of it aint ‘rare’.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statistics/pregnancy-discrimination-charges-fy-2010-fy-2020

THOUSANDS of cases every year in this ONE area of discrimination.
But yeah…this is all ‘rare’…and women who speak out are making it all up :roll_eyes:

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Read thru the thread…you’ll figure out why by the time I got to your post I was already running defense over a post that FEW of you actually READ IN context and left it comprehending what was being SAID instead of what you wanted to INSERT. lol

That gets REALLY annoying. :+1:

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Donald Trump or a dementia patient and VP who literally got to where she is by being Willie Brown’s pin cushion. OP comes across as a black/grey haired college professor who’s never been good enough to be tenured.

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:roll_eyes:
lets leave the psychobabble to the pros, please.
CAPS are to get your attention in MY field which existed LONG before this generation stole the concept and added emotional connotations. lol

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This is not me trying to justify men harassing women at work. It absolutely happens. But in my experience women harassing women is FAR more common in 2021 and isnt talked about enough. The stuff Ive seen and heard women say or do to eachother is insane. All of the guys just look at eachother and cant believe it. We had an HR meeting because a guy told a girl she looked pretty that morning. There wasnt a peep when two women got in an argument so one of them slept with the other’s husband out of spite, recorded it, and showed our co-workers in an attempt humiliate her. Guys harassing girls is absolutely gross. In my experience its far far more rare than girls harassing girls these days. Its not so much “whats wrong with men?” Its “whats wrong with people.”

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My 2c worth:
Human male dominance did not evolve in a vacuum. There is precedence for this in the animal kingdom and in human prehistory. Life is physical: so naturally, very often, being physically bigger, stronger, faster meant being “in charge” (there are exceptions ofc, given that nature is very creative).

Today, physically smaller/weaker beings – not just women, but children, some men – have the rights they have because of laws. If there was no civilized law, then the law of the jungle would rule again. Probably, other factors that would confer some benefit or privilege would be special skills, high intelligence, and for women, their attractiveness and perceived fertility.

No doubt I could’ve worded all this better, but again, it’s a jungle out there. Life began very physical, and as long as we have bodies, part of us will likely always be on that level.

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Because they are bigger and stronger and more aggressive (in general). It’s partially biology and partially the work of culture over literally 10,000 years.

We have. We do. There are niches and subcultures where women are still considered lower and subservient…or just lower. Video gaming is one of them. Hence…the current situation.

This isn’t rocket science.

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You say a lot of things with no proof…and you want to talk about someone else coming off as anything? You come off as the person that reads memes and random posts on FB, thinks they are factual occurrences, and quotes them like facts from there on in, and ignores literal proof and facts for those memes and random posts…

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about 10% of men have this privilege. Outside of the chads men disproportionately commit suicide, are imprisoned more, earn less, have shorter lifespans, have the courts stacked against them. sthu

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Ummm… What??? I am at a loss for words to be honest. I don’t want to be rude so I’m just going to express my utter confusion and leave it at that.

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While I don’t necessarily disagree with you and occasionally have my moments of “curse the patriarchy”, it’s not always a problem and it’s not the only problem. Humanity in general is often just garbage, no matter the gender, age, race, etc.

As someone who works in a female-dominated profession, I’ve seen some pretty bad stuff go down. Women can be psychotic to each other.

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:+1:
We like to pretend that we arent the product of eons of evolution.
It makes my eyes roll when some say theyre so much in agreement with science, then deny basic biological facts of biology and evolution. And Im a creationist, for god sake :rofl:
I know what i believe but I also believed in evolution as science teaches it and absolutely see the same evidence science does and absolutely understand why they draw the conclusions they do.
When light travels at 181,000 miles per second and star X is 100,000 light years away…well even Forrest Gump can figure out the implications, lol.

There are thing that are EVIDENT about human psychology…biology…evolution…that many today are trying to deny…the same folks who INSISTED that we ALL accept these facts of reality and natural laws for forever and a day…who are now insisting that we turn 180 degrees out and stop believing what biology and evolution show us now and have been showing us for many years.

Men and women ARE different biologically and psychologically.
It is present in nature…in pretty much every species on the planet.
And yet we’re suddenly after all these years of indoctrination supposed to unlearn all the truths we learned about human evolution…biology…psychology…and just on whim of the current generations political views claim that everything we believed about men and women ISNT now true.
Lmao.

And my teachers in school wondered why I was always questioning their conclusions and observations and their preaching everything in a text book as absolute lmao.
When now apparently there are no truths. No objectivity.

I am a man. I have certain tendencies that most men will face in their lives at some point.
My job isnt to deny those tendencies.
MY job is to act like a civilized, intelligent being.

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Nothing is changing. Bad behaviors will continue now and forever. What you have seen as change is people no longer tolerating but that does absolutely nothing to end anything

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For F sake, if you really are 68 honesty doubt it, what about the rule of bill Clinton

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:+1:
loll
“it doesnt affect his ability to do his job as president”
Verbatim what they told me in the 90s lol.
Make it Trump and they just forget their own rule of thumb entirely. lmao

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My guess the OP, has selective memory, and or was born in the very late 80’s or early 90’s

Also got to love Senator Bob Mendez

“let he who has no sin in this chamber cast the first stone"

And this gem from the current house leader
Nancy Pelosi

that American women valued “privacy” and didn’t want to see someone with “uncontrolled power” probing the president"

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This is an interesting question… I think each industry, government entity, etc has a slightly different tale. However, I’m going to try to give my take on this question for the tech industry, speaking as a mid-career woman working as a dev for another big corporation.

I think we are where we are now: not enough women in leadership positions because of the overall pipeline: from students, to hires, to retention.

1.) Students – I know it’s hard to imagine for many in my generation or younger, but the average person did not necessarily use the internet 30-40 years ago. This is a relatively new field of study and most of the people who studied this field were the ‘nerds’ which unfortunately had a large stigma against women in the 80s/90s. Society taught: video games, computers, tech were ‘boy’ things by both dads and moms. Nowdays, I think the percentage of students who are female studying to become software engineers has improved, but that has only recently blossomed in the past 5-10 years… and it takes time to build rapport and experience to lead, which leads me to my next point…

2.) Hiring: When I graduated from college, I was actively advised to not apply to gaming companies as a woman. I was told there was a guarantee that I would be harassed and that I should take my skills elsewhere, where they would be respected. Given my last point, the percentage of female students in the US graduating with a degree in computers science is still only 20-30% last I checked (mirroring the percentage of the US industry workforce). So, this poses a hiring challenge to promote diversity…which is, as I said, for the gaming industry specifically compounded by female engineers, like myself, being told by other female engineers to avoid pursuing a career in the gaming industry lest you be harassed.

3.) Retention: Unfortunately, especially in the US, most of my female friends who have left the industry do so because they have decided to become a mother and their company(ies) did not provide enough equitable support through their pregnancy and/or when they had to support their young children. The lawsuit shows some of the more horrific examples of how mothers are treated, but there is also a larger societal almost… looking down upon women for continuing to work through early motherhod. I will not also deny that I have friends who have quit the industry as well due to sexual harassment or micro-aggression burnout as well.

So, these three things form a kind of guantlet for women in the tech industry to make it to leadership positions within companies. You need experience and good reputation in the industry to be trusted into a leadership position, just business.

There are multiple things that need to change to fix the tech industry, and many of these things are going to require at least 1-2 more generations to fix, in my opinion.

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