More people quitting due to no dual spec

I’m yet to hear anyone complain about this…

You’re intentionally reading that statement in a hyper literal out of context way to fit your argument.

If you actually read the whole post you’d understand the broader context that execution=when something was implemented. TBC was not a static game and went through several iterations.

I alluded to that when I used the example of feral-powershifting and said classic style powershifting was a part of the game for 40% of it’s life and through BT content wise.

If you want a change put into the game, you should have to earnestly reconcile it with this statement: “In a #somechanges world, we think it’s important to consider both the original intent and the original execution of changes”

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Yes, because the only context it fits is for that one change, feral druid energy and powershifting. It doesn’t fit in the context of every other change added to BC. yet you continue to cite it as the reasoning for all the changes made to the game. All the while refusing to discuss any of those other changes most of which were larger and had a much bigger impact on the game.

No, they’re stating their broader philosophy for changes and how a feral energy tick reversion fits within that paradigm.

It just seems like you want to be right at this point. In no way does that read like “we’re making an arbitrary exception for feral energy ticks” “this is a one-off”

Pally seal changes and the Tinnitus change were defended in much the same way. That the original game design didn’t intend Belf Ret Paladins to be a mile ahead of their Alliance counter parts and that Tinnitus was put it because the dev’s didn’t intended for everyone to feel pressured to go LW to maximze raid performance.

Here is what it comes down to. I have cited a written statement from the developers of TBCC stating their #Somechanges intentions. All you have is “They made all these other changes and I don’t think they fit that statement” without providing any examples and acting like if their were some contradiction somewhere all bets would be off.

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This is 100% false.

I would definitely play more, if there was dual spec, but it’s not enough for me to outright quit.

It didn’t? Then why didn’t they fix it until Wrath? It wasn’t a complicated change. If it wasn’t intended they could easily have changed it in the first patch. If it was an accident surely they noticed it in the first week of game play.

Everyone was never going to be pressured to go LW. The change was made for the most elite guilds doing speed runs. Casual players in casual guilds make up the vast majority of the player base and they would not have required everyone who raided to take LW. It was a large change made for a very tiny group of players.

And the paid boost. No one has ever claimed it was intended in the original game design. Neither was the store bought mount.

You found your one change that supports your interpretation of what the devs meant by some changes and that’s all. It’s as simplistic and a one sided view as those who claim the boost proves that all blizzard cares about is money

Probably because a lot of these issues weren’t apparent, important, or understood by the majority of the player base or even the devs 15 years go. It was not my experience that the whole guild would pour over a log after each raid and look at our performance in comparison with other’s on our server and the world at large back then. I do do some of that now. I think most people do in some capacity.

“Everyone was never going to be pressured to go LW.” I don’t buy that. Just like everyone was not pressured to get World Buffs in Classic? LW was an issue that was on the forums as much or more so than dual spec is now 3 months ago IIRC.

What is my interpretation? I’ve cited what the dev’s wrote themselves where they state how they evaluate changes and give examples of their own methodology.

You’re interpretation is that that statement only applied to the feral energy-tick reversion. You have yet to elucidate how.

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Oh yes, it wasn’t apparent that the devs secretly intended a paid boost to be a part of the game. Back then they could have had a store bought mount and the majority of the players wouldn’t have considered it important. No one realized the pally seals were so different, because what? no one pvped ally pally against horde pally back then? The complaints about the horde racials and especially the horde pally seals have been there since the beginning. You are simply wrong. Did you even play the original game?

They weren’t. Most guilds didn’t stack world buffs. You’re stuck in a elitist hardcore mindset if you think they did. Most guilds got a few and stopped there, just like they did in Vanilla. If you read the threads complaining about WB you’d see that most people said it wasn’t an issue because their guild didn’t stack them and suggested the players complaining just join a casual guild

I’m done talking to you about this. Rather than accept the statement from Blizzard that I’ve given you. You want to pull me down a rabbit hole where I’m defending each and every one of blizzards changes as it relates to it, as if i were in the room with them when they made them. I cannot do that. I don’t want to do that.

I have given you what Blizzard themselves have said. I’m not going to have a debate of opinions with you as it relates to how each of us has experienced the game or diving the will of Blizzard. Particularly not when you hide behind irony and cherry pick apart each post.

That’s my whole point. You claimed you knew what the devs meant by some changes but you admit you can’t use that supposed knowledge to defend each and every change, or even most of the changes. You weren’t in the room with them and dont really know. You’re right, this conversation is done since you’ve admitted what I was arguing.

Don’t worry about Feywaif…
they are just a forum troll with a retail addled mind.

Good thing is that you can put them on the ignore list :slight_smile:

I’m steadily realizing that a lot people haven’t. Hence why they post on throwaway alts all the time.

Except Enigmuh. Eh’s a pretty cool guy. For a cow.

you are hilarious

Hekket continually says “retail” even though it’s been pointed out to him several times that Dual Spec is not a retail feature. He has yet to prove otherwise regardless of several instances where people have asked him for proof.

In other words, Hekket is basically a

I don’t put him on my ignore list because I’m not close-minded like that. I prefer to hear all opinions. Even ones I disagree with. :grin:

Enough with these threads.

I support dual spec or lowering respec cost drastically.

But very few players are quitting over this. They’re quitting over a lot of other issues but not a lack of dual spec.

If I plan to quit, it will not be for the reason of dual spec. Players can quit for an innumerable amount of reasons. Citing a single reason as cause is foolish.

Not until Blizzard gives us an answer.

Sorry.

You are correct. But ppl need to also accept that those wanting original no change classic were not the only ppl asking for old servers

There were some ppl like myself that have always been asking for a " reforoged" version.

Those that wanted no changes clasic absolutely no changes identical match got that in classic. Or as close to it as it was going to get. Those of us that wanted an old version with some changes like updated graphics and animations did not get that. We still want it and are going to continue to ask for it.

If it’s remembering your talent choices on the specs, an addon would suffice. I see a lot of people mentioning this. That is a reasonable complaint. It’s really easy to mis-place a point if you’re in a hurry. I used a talent sequence addon in Classic while leveling. The author didn’t continue it in TBCC which was a shame. Blizzard could do this if they would bother.