Monks get Buffed and Paladins Get nerfed

Much as I’d like to see that, I think it would trivialize non-endgame content more than they’d care for.

This is my suspicion as well. Ion and team seemed like they were doing “something” that implied balance, and it could potentially lead to a complete race/class unlock IF they get balancing correct.

It is trivalized though, lol. If it isnt m+10 and up or mythic raiding. Balance right now for endgame is adding damage to tanks other than prot paladin. Its just that the easiest way to add tank damage is to allow the tanks to spend talent points and resources into doing more damage.

For example- execute spam is the highest possible form of prot warrior damage. However, execute spam requires taking specific talents and losing out on survival and utility ones.
Sustained damage from bleeds is also doable…but to do so, you’d have to drop multiple keystone talents from the warrior tree, losing a ton of damage and survival, and lose a ton of survival from the prot tree.

The obvious solutions are, in order of ease to balance

  1. Lower incoming damage.
  2. Merge talents.
  3. Increase outgoing damage.
    Or
    Just nerf the outlier and pretend they care.

That’s a fair point.

‘‘They think versatility stat is a good stat for pve…’’

Disagreed. There will come to a point as early as a +13-14 to start gearing for more vers at the expanse of your dps stats becuz well, if you are taking too much dmg via rot dmg and your healer can’t keep you up, or you just outright died to big shots despite minor defensives, then you are dead. It’s just numerical game here.

Sure you prolly can cheese one or 2 mech here and there but nobody can cheese the entire fight mech’s dmg to near zero. The more you take, the longer ur healer has to heal, the more he has to sit.

Now x3 for the other 2 dps too.

Sad to see still no rogue CC nerfs, no slow nerfs in general. Can’t move, so many classes have unbreakable CC… Not fun playing PvP unless you’re a class with an immunity

Vers can only get you up to 20% DR vs even level enemies if you stack it at the expense of all other stats. Its like 15% vs bosses. Most builds use crit/haste because crit is parry or dodge or mastery/haste because mastery is damage, special reduction, and special damage types while haste allows you to reuse abilities up to 40% faster from stacking the stat and another 20% from talents.

Vers gets almost no use because its effect is reduced vs opponents of a higher level than the player, and suffers from diminishing returns much faster than other stats. For paladins, mastery doesn’t even get Dimishing returns because of how it works for them.

Well balance that allowed every race with every class would imply the complete removal of racial combat and stat passives.

That does not matter, the DR is often the reason why. Even for tanks, it can mean the difference between that 1 hit to death or just outright dead. It’s constantly up.

And of cos you dun stack it all the way up, you want just enough so that you dun outright die.

Paladins have 2 immunities, full self heal, multiple shield wall equivalents and cannot be killed once every 1.5 minutes no matter what hits them. In a game where no fight lasts longer than 4 to 5 mins except those that literally have intermissions where almost every cooldown comes off cooldown, they are unstoppable.

if they can balance classes, they should gut racials the way they gutted professions. If I don’t get Stam and Crit anymore from Mining and Skinning, then we can leave the flavor racials in place and remove the combat related stuff. We won’t need them if things are actually balanced.

So basically make it so noone ever plays dwarf since their god tier racials is the only reason people play them. Don’t think you’d actually see less Tauren though even though they have the highest passive boosts.

People who play dwarf would do it cause they like Dwarves. Same with the god tier trolls, or my Mechagnomes. Make it a truly even playing field. If you are only playing that race for the meta, then yeah, it needs to get stripped. Let’s get TRUE balance.