Monk Clones - Immune to CC? Why?

How long does tyrant last and what kind of cd?

It’s technically just a damage amp like avenging wrath with extra steps.

Tldr: noobs playing didn’t want to learn, complained instead and blizzard made terrible changes for people who don’t even play anymore.

When the spell sas originally introduced (thank god I get to play with it again in MoP) it was a no cd spell that you just cast at a target for 30 energy or something.
It was a cleave spell only.
But you could cc it off or kill it pretty easily, barely stronger than a totem.

At that time it makes sense to cc and kill it.

However, they removed tigereye brew (our superior dmg amp mechanic) and changed SEF because too many noobs played monk in MoP and WoD and didn’t read the spell description that it doesn’t copy attacks if you are hitting the same target, meaning it was useless for single target.

They wanted to keep the aoe aspect so we got the inferior AI controlled cd spell over the player controlled cleave spell.

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Okay yeah i see what you’re saying

I can plan for my Dr, but nothing I do can stop a team from ccing the clones.

I know exactly how easy it is to kite WW clones.

Here is an example of how easy it was to shut down clones when they could be cced.

Notice I didn’t even have to kite him, just root/slow the clones.

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Considering everything else available to them and the fact this is a choice talent you made a better argument for it to be cc stoppable rather than not brother.

Yes, but none of your pet is taking your damage away. But that is what the clones do. Each clone takes away 30% of your normal damage!

Imagine it like this: One of your pets get cc’d. Sure, you do less damage because you are missing the dmg of the pet. But do you need to destroy the pet because if you don’t, all of your other pets including yourself would do less damage on top of that?

Does your demonbolt do less damage when one of your pets is cc’d? No! But that happend in the past when one of the clones got cc’d. So the WW was soft forced to remove the buff SEF because with the buff he did less damage than he would do without!

What other class/spec had something like this? Also are you still comparing the clones with normal pets. They are NO pets! They are no individual units! They are just copies of the WW!

So with that change they made it more like a 20% dmg buff you can easily avoid, when you cc the WW! Just that it comes a long with a bunch of bugs! I would also prefer it to be just a 20% damage buff without all that lore splitting into 3 different elements.

I can, but that doesn’t reduce your damage on top of it. It doesn’t reduce the damage of your other spells, only because your pet is in cc!

AGAIN, don’t see the images as pets. They are no pets, they all are the monk!

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Each pet cc’d is a direct damage loss so it is in fact the exact same thing in the end. Semantics are idiotic here.

No it’s not, if monk wants burst. Sef is it, we have nothing else

I’m not sure if you know this but you can’t run into the red circle you literally kept running into it :smile:

I’m not sure if you know this but you can actually keep hitting them if they’re only in the middle.
You actually have to have the complete circle in between the two of you to actually avoid melee hits.

Do you really not get it?

When a normal pet is ccd, it does have no impact on any other spell used by the summoner. But that happens to the WW! He is not only missing the damage of the pet, he is also doing less damage.

That are two different things. When I cc a pet, the summoner is missing the additional damage. When a clone was cc’d, the summoner was not only missing the additional damage, all of his other damage profile received a flat nerf on top of it!

So he got punished for having a buff up! The buff basically became a debuff. Its like you press your burst CD and when I cc you, you would do 50% less damage after that!

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Are you saying that when you press sef in its tooltip it says the monk does 30% less damage when clones are out . I hope this is what it is.

Or are you saying when monk gets ccd you do less damage because you were ccd because … …

So when the sef cd is cast you split into 3 clones, each clone and yourself now do 45%(I dont really know what it is anymore) of the monk’s normal dmg.
So if the clones aren’t hitting you and it’s just the monk, then it’s like the monk is under a dmg debuff during a time instead of an increase during major cds.

Ahhh ok. Well that explains it.

It does mention it in the tooltip. Doesn’t this cooldown have two charges??

It does.
But overall it’s still a buggy mess, I wish we’d get back original TeB back or even legion beta TeB, and SEF go back to it’s original version too.

I’m going to take a break from the forums for a while so I don’t have to see thebulk spam post about classic.

See you guys in a month or so.

Let my try to explain it in a different way.

Imagine my RSK would normally do 500k damage. Now I use SEF, that splits my monk into 3 clones. Each clone does 40% of the normal damage. So the RSK becomes 500k * 0.4 = 200k, but each clone does that hit. Makes it 3 * 200k = 600k => So overall a 20% buff to the normal damage.

Now imagine that only 1 clone would get cc’d. Then its 2 * 200k = 400k. So with this, the CC would become a nerf to my baseline damage, because normally the RSK would have done 500k but in this case it becomes 2*200k=400k. And when both clones would be cc’d, it would even drop to 200k dmg.

In other words, the actual burst cd would become a debuff to my own damage and to remove the buff would increase my damage again. That is how absurd it was before TWW, when they finally fixed it.

And just in case its still not clear: When the WW is ccd, the images do nothing. They always only copy the damage ability of the monk. When the WW can’t press a damage ability because he is ccd, the clones will also NOT do any damage! They are no pets, they are more some personified buff!

they don’t do anything if the monk is cc’d so try that

Preaching to the choir

signed - demo lock

You guys act like I didn’t spend the entirety of Legion/BFA/SL playnig with SEF and having no issue not having my images CCed lmao.

SEF being CC immune is criminal. It was a disgusting change and I called it the second that patch note came out. Play better.

I couldn’t imagine a demo lock having a ret press wake of ashes and suddenly their tyrant is just afk for the rest of the go!

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Frost does this when a go gets scuffed.