Hey folks. I did a bunch of M+ but I stepped into the raid for the first time and have to say momentum doesn’t feel all that great there. It was a pain to do on Sennarth on the final phase where everything is frozen and you are sliding all over the place.
What is everyone running for the new raid. I would prefer not to use momentum but if the DPS gap is that much bigger, then I feel we don’t have a choice. I would appreciate any feedback from everyone on what build people are running.
Thanks!
Forgot to change characters. This is my DH.
You can check warcraft logs and look at the parses and such to get a good idea of what the majority of people are running for each boss. But in the end, yes its momentum being run.
It’s what people are doing but you don’t have to if you don’t like it. I don’t know what the exact difference between the momentum and non-movement build is, but it can’t be dramatic enough that people are gonna care unless you’re a cutting-edge raider.
I know a thing or two about playing non-meta builds. Last expansion i played FB/DB demonic the entire expansion. Never touched the ever-boring Cycle build of the time, and i did just fine.
What you have to consider is your own comfort and familiarity with a build is generally going to yield better results for you than a build that doesn’t feel right.
Speaking from the limited few bosses I got to do this week, I did very well running both momentum and non-momentum builds adjusted for the fight.
I ran non-momentum for Terros so there was lower risk to fall in the hole and parsed pretty solid at 89 overall and 97 when adjusted to ilvl. For council I ran momentum w/ glaive toss which went very well given nature of the fight but I’m sure you could opt to drop momentum and still do pretty well there.
Right now at least, it seems like the momentum vs. non momentum gap isn’t that substantial so if maintaining momentum isn’t your thing - just run non-momentum builds adjusted based on if the fight is more ST or cleave.
Until I’ve learned and feel comfortable in the fights, I’ve been playing , and performing better, with the non momentum build. Once I feel like I have the fights and timing down for the encounter, I’ll switch over to momentum personally.
That’s funny because I ran Momentum for Terros but had to go glaive tempest for Council because our group had to many problems with the debuff.
I don’t see a massive difference between momentum vs non unless its truly pure ST.
I was afraid of rushing into the hole or a rock pillar being in my way so I decided to play it safer w/ non-momentum. I totally think the momentum build can work for the fight, just another something extra to be mindful of.
Funny enough, I swapped to momentum/glaive build for Council and the other havoc in group was running the non-momentum the first couple of pulls and ended up swapping to run the same as me and after another couple of pulls, their dps rose dramatically as they got more comfortable with it.
I really think it comes down to comfort and familiarity with builds right now - I’m sure this may change with additional gear/scaling but for now, I think the move is to play what works well for you.
So I raided normal and full cleared the raid. I stuck with the non-momentum build to see how it would fair out and the dps was below then I expected.
My only suggestion between the two builds is to use non momentum if you wish to learn the fight mechanics easier, then use momentum once you are comfortable with the fight.
For M+ I use a wowhead build that doesn’t have momentum and we are clearing just fine. Timed a +11 with my item level around 386 and it felt good on trash. M+ feels too risky to be dashing all over the places with how many one shot mechanics there are plus accidently running into someone with the opposite charge with the +10 affix and having you both lose a bunch of dps if clearing too early.
I wish blizzard would buff the non momentum talents at this point to have to optimal playstyles.
You don’t really have a choice. Momentum has the highest throughput, so it’s mandatory. Nevermind that it’s boring to play, feels awful, and reduces your utility.
Trolololol
Non momentum for Terros and primal council for sure
I don’t understand the issue with momentum on Terros? I had 65% uptime on momentum w/ 38.2k dps on it without any set on tuesday this week.
Maintenance buffs are difficult for most DH players
It’s not the maintenance is the fel rush into the middle that can mess you up haha
not really, if you fel rush every ubc proc. its just a 1-2% loss over felrushing on cd. not defending known warrior troll btw. just felrush when your about to do big dam, vr on cd, and thats about it
I don’t run logs, but I’ve been solely playing non-momentum because I don’t like using fel rush in my rotation, prefer holding them to get out and back in for mechanics.
I’ve still been close enough to the other DH in my guild who runs momentum, and he is more geared than me.
Its actually closer to a 4% dps loss to do that but people should do what they’re comfortable with. Personally I aim for about 70% uptime on boss fights of momentum. Anymore and you sacrifice dps to maintain the buff, at least in my opinion.
that usually means your guilds other dh is lack luster
it just astounds me that momentum is the issue (its not) and everyone is casually ignoring VR
Not necessarily. I think in the raid, momentum isn’t always a great pick, based on some of the mechanics. In the fights where momentum can cause more problems, I’m doing more, in the fights where having momentum is fine, he is doing more. I’m using the top non-momentum build, and there isn’t a big difference in dps between the 2 specs. I read momentum only sims like 5%-8% higher than it.