First, you don’t know that. Second, gear does matter, especially the higher you go. The priest didn’t play that poorly, but there was no way they could keep up giving the comp we were facing. Regardless, the system should be a little ‘smarter’ then simply tossing an under geared player in that high of a setting.
I think one thing that needs to be made clear is that this is the first season of Blitz and overall they did a good job, but you’re almost arguing as if NOTHING can be done, despite this being the very first iteration of it.
I’m not suggesting segregating, just tightening up the acceptable range. If that means players are playing with players with comparable ranges, then fine.
There is always going to be a trade off. If ruining the experience for players and making players HATE the bracket more, then sure, keep what we have. I think it can be done better. A lot better and I don’t think it would take much to do that.
Yeah, partly because some of them keep eating bans (mostly for language, some for “unauthorized software”, whatever that means )
I think we’ll see less of the group 2 situation in season 2, at least not as openly; there were certain personalities from rated BGs that very openly brought that behavior to Blitz because they were used to a format where hardly anyone bothered to report the offending behavior because so many were guilty of it. It seemed to be a huge factor the first month or two though, not that I’m allowed to name names lol
I’m more arguing that you shouldn’t expect anything to be done, because the possible fixes are fewer than you think. Best you can do is hope that some of the community-related problems are self-resolving. RBG streamer ego death was a bigger factor in Blitz S1 than you may realize. People swapping to their alts to sandbag players who embarassed them on stream was a recurring theme the first month or so, which by itself had an impact on early inflation.
People bothering to at least gear up into warmode-level gear before joining Blitz is one of those community-related problems, btw. The only thing forcing anyone into this bracket while undergeared is that one weekly quest for earning honor from rated battlegrounds. It’s always a gamble to queue when that quest is up, but it’s an easily tracked gamble.
That’s where I disagree. I don’t see any of these issues as community problems. It’s what the game allows for. That isn’t a community problem. If there is a way to game the system, players will do it, but that’s not what’s happening relative to the problem I’m presenting here.
It’s not. Players should be able to do content that they enjoy. If the system is awarding massive 400-500+ mmr gains, that should be addressed. It’s not a fault of the player for simply wanting to play.
You’re using an example of an undergeared healer struggling to perform at their inflated MMR.
“Fixing” their situation results in punishing the undergeared DPS alt that is managing to perform at their inflated MMR.
The behaviour primarily happened over discord, not in-game.
But it’s a mixture of snowflake feelings and absurd behavior and obviously devs who paint their nails black to express themselves are going to side with snowflakes. Because they’re too gutless to sit in the middle.
I should be allowed to tell someone they f’d up and threw the game because they wanted to cap a flag on EOTs instantly even though people told them the strat that is now the standard of EOTs.
Commandment #1 of the BG forums - no accountability.
How about we just let players who are like minded invite and play with those around their skill level? Oh crazy we had that and wanted to implement solo-q
A couple of those discord servers messed up early in the season by spamming their invite links in BG chat hoping to flame randos in voice, but yeah, not all of it is detectable in-game.
I agree with the second point to an extent; telling people they messed up is a necessary side effect of messing up, but then there are those “highly experienced” players who have a tendency to spend the rest of the game flaming that person instead of trying to help correct the mistake- and those are the most loathsome people you can have on a team. Also one of those behaviors that migrated over from standard RBGs, lol.
It’s such a foolish way to think though. In the same way that guardrails keep us from falling, the very design of the game is what dictates how players will interact with it. The game needs better guardrails. Even if the majority of players intend to play in a manner which is “respectable” in some way, other players won’t. During MoP when RBGs were ruined from rampant exploitation, honest players saw massive spikes in their MMR/CR because of all the cheating. So while they weren’t directly cheating, they benefitted from it, potentially unknowingly.
So you have to design a system with abuse in mind. This content is being served up to tens of thousands of players. We aren’t a community of shared values.
Blizzard employees were playing with that cheater druid bal. Shortened to not break name and shame. You probably know who I’m talking about. Just like how a blizzard employee got fired for sitting in their favorite streamers chat and banning people who were dispelling their world buffs on a pvp server cause the streamer started crying, actual pathetic.
Yea, there was a lot of cheating back then. But there was two types. The cheating in Cata was pretty rampant, but manageable. Kick bots, exploits, ddos, etc. were all super common, but it was still a pretty fun time. MOP was just cheating on steroids for that first winter season. It was like Dec 1st to Jan 15th in 2013 I think that RBGs got ruined. That said, even after they the ban waves happened, MMR was basically ruined for the expansion. Players with massively bloated ratings kept trickling in. Completely ruined any RBG achievements.
Attacking the community makes no sense though. Again, we don’t have shared values. Players will play within the confines set for them. If the system allows for abuse, abuse will happen. We have rules on the forums because we know there are people who won’t be civil or people who will be outright intentionally inflammatory.
I’m saying that w/e issue you have with the community can easily be brought back to what the game allows for. Players will be players.
Just play arena not even joking
Rated bg is a meme and I didn’t even like arena until solo shuffle was added. So much I refused to play it and did PvP with crapper gear for many expansions.
Bgs are better for randomness and chaos with arena as the skill mode to contrast. It’s all a big mistake when mistweavers are carrying flags and other such skullduggery
Who is attacking them? You need to re-read and take emotion out of reading words online.
Players don’t take accountability, they want things done for them.
You could have the exact same system of solo-queue, without implementing solo-queue.
Queue a LFG group.
Invite the first 9 people.
Queue up.
Conditional: Remove people or dont invite people, you dont want to play with.
Same goes for cheating - but we’re digressing now.
Getting what you don’t like is part of solo-queue.
I don’t want solo-queue, but I have to play it if I want to play the game right now. That’s part of WOW PvP right now, for me. See how I’m not casting blame? I’m just accepting that - same with the fact my sub pays for the black nail polish of developers who expect to be taken professional and seriously.
Yeah, I guess murderers will be murderers - lets not hold accountability to the individual of the community, put it on the fact they were able to do something that is illegal.
You can’t expect to be taken seriously if you fail at taking accountability - but hey, blamers will be blamers, right?
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