When I play a class in Warcraft I like to really dive in and enjoy each specialization. I started off Dragonflight M0s as Brewmaster and had a great time, I knew I would. Prepatch had me jumping back and forth between Brew and Vengeance and something about the ability interactions with brewmasters just felt meaty - it’s a real player’s spec.
To satisfy my need for a holistic enjoyment of a class I started playing around with mistweaver. If you watch any amount of content on youtube the community perception seems to encourage a faeline stomp fistweaving form of play- This is rather challenging in my experience and the results I had were really bumming me out and making me feel like a character that i’d loved in pandaria was something i was going to have to shelf for something that I could play more competitively.
Just the other night I decided to ignore the popular faeline build and go with a soothing mist oriented playstyle including Jade serpent statue, yu lon and the talent that makes Soothing hit another target… Boy, what a difference. I feel confident in keeping my team alive and I had an amazing time doing it. Maybe it’s a pug thing, but I encourage everyone playing mistweaver that may be turned off by the fist weave playstyle to not forget that our casting builds still exist and feel strong.
Just felt like posting about this positive experience I’ve had playing monk, hope it inspires someone who may be on the line about re-rolling (ha) to maybe stick with it!
It’s pretty great! Personally, I enjoy the gameplay style of fistweaving more, but I enjoy the visuals of the green noodle build more. Faeline stomp is pretty but doesn’t fit the theme, and I just like the look of the green noodle over the bird. The more healy focused build feels safer in mythics where I’m not sure if I can trust my party to not stand in stuff, so it’s nice - fistweaving if I want to really pay attention that day, green noodle for more relaxing times.
Feyline isn’t all that popular. You just have a clique of elitists pushing it on everyone. Realistically there are a few different builds/talents you can swap into and still get comparable healing, if not more. ( while also still putting out a decent amt of dps )
Cheers for doing your own thing. If it works for you keep at it!
All I see are complaints about Fey Line: Tanks not staying in it or avoiding it, it disappears, visually/thematically doesn’t fit MW, the “line” is obnoxious and hard to always be standing on, shouldn’t be a “line”, “the line should drop farther behind us”…etc.
To me FL seems like a poorly implemented ability for MW. If the area was a 15y-20y circle or passive then maybe it could be fun to pick up. But from what Ive seen it doesn’t offer a whole lot outside of a bit more dmg output and slightly changing how you maintenance heal.
People are recommending it, because it’s the technically best option, for healing and damage. Noone says you have to play it, but explaining people why and how it’s good isn’t being elitist - you calling people who do so for elitists, trolls and whatnot is just you doing what you claim others do - spread propaganda.
How are you defining caster build in raid? CF and TOM? If so, the math and testing has already been done and AT/RM is more healing overall by a long shot after they nerfed CF during beta. Especially Rising Mist is way, way to strong. But if you like casting build then more the power to you!
EDIT: Should clarify, the problem with the casting build is mana sustain which won’t keep up on mythic progression - the actual healing profile is great, you will just get much more overall healing with AT and RM. For normal and heroic you can easily play whatever you like
Ohh it’s the one EU troll that decided to roll an alt on NA just to try to troll me in another thread. I dont think you should be talking about trolls when you literally came here to do just that.
Healing, no. Damage, yes but not a ton more. Im not going to explain to you again that there isnt a caster build either. All MW should be in melee range doing TP/Bok/RSK.
did u do the math behind different builds or do you have it to share? I would like to see it.
It’s not that I don’t like Fistweaving, I actually find it very fun and effective, but I had amazing and better results sometimes(in terms of HPS) by playing a more caster orientated build.
I’ve read some mw theorycrafters and most of them say fistweaving is best hps build, but I haven’t seen the math by myself so it’s just blindly trusting what they say.
caster =/= ranged → Caster orientated build for MW still locks you as a melee spec, just focusing your healing in casting abilities like Soothing mist, Vivify, EnvM and Essence font.
I’m not sure about numbers so idk if it’s better in terms of HPS but I’ll give it a try in raiding next week and see logs.
This. I bet they have their dps numbers though. Rofl.
Melee/Fey Line elitists tend to make the argument that anyone not running AT/Fey Line just sit there casting SooMist or CLightning. This is untrue outside of bad players. At this point we are all mistweavers, there isnt really much of a divide as some people make it seem.
The troll above also doesn’t understand that talents are flexible and that in a raid environment you’ll still most likely take RM in non AT/Fey builds, you are still weaving in dmg and RSK for more RenMists. AT/Fey are mostly dps and maintenance healing changes. This maintenance healing is easily done as any build ( tears cleave builds, soo mist/unison builds, at/fey builds = different ways to maintenance heal ), and AT/Fey wont be a huge dps increase assuming caster builds still do even minimal TP/Bok/RSK usage.
I also feel more control and comfort channeling SooM than praying FS works or that Ancient Teachings heals the player that actually needs it, or the person is close enough, or the melee splash AoE doesn’t hit you and proc on everyone in the party and chain to wipe… When FS actually gets mileage it’s fine, but it seems more “active hoping and wishing” than actual better throughput.
I do feel there should be a CJL damage buff or a CDR on CJL for Pulse somewhere in the tree, so the damage can be a little more frequent/good. Not needed, just a personal wishlist item.
I’m not smart/dedicated enough to have done it myself, it has mainly been done by a guy named Sweggles, a moderator from Peak of Serenity who also raidtested in the beta with basically every combination of talents you can imagine.
I don’t know if he has actually posted the actual calculations somewhere, but his conclusions on raid builds are in his mistweaver guide on QE or Questionably Epic.
At what point will you stop harrasing, trolling and lying? I never stated that there was “one caster talent build for” as clearly seen by me actually asking what talent combination was in play.
You don’t like people recommending a build that you don’t like doesn’t give you the right to shrug them off as being “elitists” or “trolls”. You’re just a bully who’s debating tactics consists of lies and slander. I also love you claim “not a lot of people like faeline” as if you’d actually have any numbers to go by
And also, I’ve mentioned at least 5 times by now that I didn’t create this character to somehow target you, as it’s much older than the first thread I’ve replied to you on - what’s this insane superiority/world revovles around me complex???
And again, just because you don’t like faeline build doesn’t mean people who recommend them are trolling - and it for sure gives you no right to spread lies, slander and propaganda to further you own agenda. Grow up.
Ah, so they most likely don’t exist and it’ just beta theorycrafting, otherwise they would have them in the pinned notes to dissuade any arguments against Fey, because that is how they work over there. So no surprises that wasn’t found at all.
Do tell, what lies and agenda would this even be? That other talents/builds can exist in talent tree that was designed to have these options? Also Propaganda? Really? If anything the main AT/Fey person writing all of the same guides and pushing that build only could be considered more propaganda than anything. Their fanatical dedication to AT/Fey and topping dps charts is more biased than anything because most of these people have been trying to make fisteaving the only way to heal since forever - and blizz obviously disagrees with that one build only philosophy.
Please do tighten your tinfoil hat and try harder though. If I was advocating for only one build as the best build- then you could say this. Im advocating and encouraging people to try their talents and do what works for them because AT/Fey are not the only strong healing build - despite what the peak’s echo chamber would have people believe.
There seems to be some mistake on your end. You are the troll, the people fanatically pushing a single build ( or gtfo of MW ) that has more to do with dps meters than anything tend to be the elitists. I dont care for the build negatively or positively. I just know there are options outside of “muh dps parses” and people saying AT/Fey is the only MW build are entirely wrong and misleading.
Your peak of serenity echo chamber is also filled with the same types of comments/issues as below, right before they are told to just follow the one build blindly and “git gud” by the same 2-3 people. People don’t like FeyLine and they should be aware that they have equally strong healing options. Period. Crazy agenda there, right?
More fun quotes from Peak of Echo Chamber:
“there have been instances where I need to heal a player at low health but my RSK will heal someone at 80% health”
“Unfortunately it’s not a smart heal”
" it’s really just maintenance healing "
“I cant imagine fisting without awakened feyline”
" memes in lounge please "
( this one was directed at someone when they mentioned unison )
" channeling SooMist is cringe "
“Mastering Chi-Ji is going to be an absolute requirement”
“my guide goes over what to play and how to play it”
“Yu’Lon without innervates sounds cringey to play”
( they recommend if you take Yu’Lon to make sure you have at least 2 separate innervate bots with you… )
"That’s why Id much rather stick to QE/Peak, because we have control over how we portray things here "
( and you accuse me of propaganduh )
Question asked: " for those nasty group AOEs, would it be reasonable to think that TOM would lessen the strain significantly…?"
Answer: " Yes "
The whole idea of class discords is to teach and help people, and the first recommendations will always be what is currently and technically the
strongest.
You selecting a sample of quotes that you twist into fitting your mindset is one of the parts i mean when i call you a liar and manipulator - e.g., the quote of me saying Faeline can be bad, when you ignored the first words in that post where i say overall i think it’s GREAT. Taken out of context much?
And yeah, clearly some people don’t like faeline but that has no basis in you outright claming most don’t like. You have no data sample that can in anyway indicate that, until raid and m+ comes out and warcraftlogs/raiderio etc can provide that.
It’s not like people in PoS laughs at you, or tell you that you are bad for playing whatever talents you like - at most they say the exactly same thing as you do - that there is no ranged mw, or fisted mw - there’s just mw where you use melee abilities whether you’re talented into A or B or C - some builds just leans heavier into one of the sides.
If maths and data showed that talents like CF/TOM were the best, then you know what? They would be the recommended ones - it’s not some weird, evil agenda to make people play certain talents. For basically all of DF alpha and beta, CF/TOM was WAY stronger than AT/RM in raid, but guess what? A certain theorycrafter managed to find all the broken synergies in the spec, and singelhandedly got it nerfed a billion times.
The spec ended up by chance, or Blizzards will, to have AT/RM being the strongest HPS/DPS combo in raid, and faeline/AT/RM being strongest HPS/DPS combo in dungeons, not because PoS is a lying echo chamber, but because that’s what all the maths and actual testing by good players show.
And you still haven’t shown the sample data where AT/Fey is better mathematically, but that isnt the issue or argument that I was making before you came here to troll. Seeing as you missed it: There are multiple builds available other than AT/Fey. Shoehorning new people into something like fey line isn’t great for new players just because a few elitists want to parse high on a healer.
No one said there was an agenda at all other than you, who still thinks this is an argument about which is better mathematically.
Most of the class discord dont promote a learning or friendly environment. It’s their way or the highway. See above quotes for the general attitude of these people. If it was about the math they would have it posted for everyone to see, and you know they would because that is how their egos work, but they do not.
The math you conveniently cant find or isnt posted anywhere in peak itself? Try again :3
Strongest dps maybe.
Anyways - enjoy your echo chamber. I hope anyone who reads these threads decides to do their own thing and not listen to some dps meter crazy elitists.
Obviously you have an agenda since you, yet again, use a few quotes you found and have taken out of context to generalize the entire discord (and all other class discords for the matter) - I’m not sure whether you are straight up lying, or you actually just don’t understand what you are actually writting.
And of course the whole discussion was about what’s mathematically the better build; the whole idea is for players to have a source to find out how their spec/classes work - and the obvious choice is promoting what’s technically the best. So many of the moderators in PoS spend their day helping people out, whether it’s to optimize an faeline build or a CF/TOM build.
“strongest dps maybe” we are healers. The builds are optimized for healing, as mentioned many times before - it just happens that the build with the most HEALING is also the build with the most damage, most noticeable in dungeon play.
You keep calling people who you don’t agree with elitists, and dps meter elitists. Why do you feel the need to always resort to slandering?
my dms are open if you wish to complain about theorycrafting or you have any suggestions on how the server should be run/handled. all you need to do is reach out and i’ll link you whatever math you’d like
