They actually cleaned up the whole thing before bfa, the 3 sisters, no?
The lands maybe sullied, but the name still remains strong. That’s why Alleria’s son Arator Windrunner can live in Silvermoon. He is a Windrunner. Heir to the Windrunner name and titles. Even his younger cousins have a valid claim to Windrunner holdings from their mothers. Even though their mothers maybe exiled, their lands, titles, and standing still remain. Unless Lor’themar says, “All Windrunners shall lose all titles, lands, and inheritances as well as barred from entering Silvermoon.” Then and only then. Will your statement be true.
So long as the Windrunners live even if you don’t like them. They are entitled to their claims. Now who will adjudicate them on their behalf? That’s the question. If in Midnight all the elves reunite inevitably the Windrunner sisters have to have a seat at the table.
The problem with that line of thought is she’s got all of the baggage of Jaina, while having done nothing of note since Dalaran save not kill Garrosh and shrug her shoulders comically every time Alleria pontificates about why the Belves possibly could hate the Alliance.
She’s not a valued, well developed character, she’s Rhonin’s hot elf girlfriend turned bitter widow. She is ironically better as a potential plot mover in what she can do by dying than anything she’d actually do herself.
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I don’t see her as that. She’s Rhonin’s widow, but also a ranger general of the Silver Covenant. Leader of the surviving High Elves of Dalaran. Heir to the Windrunner estates and the hero of Grim Batol. She even helped Vol’jin in Zul’Aman. She’s not a one note character. She’s the glue that holds the Windrunner family together. She raised Arator, and reconstituted the surviving High Elves in Dalaran into a cohesive faction. She’s also a great strategist in her own right as seen during the events of Throne of Thunder. She’s not some side character with no history or successes.
I think people maligned her because she’s not as edgy as Alleria, or as crazy as Sylvanas, she’s relatively normal and above all sane. She’s a champion of her people like her mother and father was. Like her sisters. Why deny her achievements or reduce her into a bitter widow?
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Lor’themar has been amazingly restrained for a ruler. In any situation where a noble has driven themselves out of favor as much as the Windrunner system has, the noble family would literally have been stripped of their titles and lands. The family can’t be that popular after the display Sylvannas put in front of Orgrimmar, and the association of Alleria’s followers with the arch traiter Dar’ken.
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We talking the same lady who had proscription lists of her neighbors to kill in case Jaina ever let her off the leash?
Alleria is likely the least edgy Windrunner
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You have to realize how important the Windrunners are historically to the defense of Silvermoon. To the point that their name is legendary. The Windrunners held the title of ranger general for thousands of years and even led the war against the trolls for centuries. Each sacrifice a historical event. It’s like combining George Washington with Scipio, Charlemagne, Julius Caesar/Augustus and the Kennedys and then adding magic heroism. That’s the Windrunners. They’re legends are what children in Quel’thelas are raised on. The stories of the Farstrider corps goes right through the Windrunner family history.
Lor’themar can’t just erase their immense history and ties without some backlash. Look at the Void Elf recruits. How many Blood Elves left to join the Void Elves at the thought of fighting alongside or even being in the presense of Alleria Windrunner? How many remained loyal to Vereesa and joined her in exile? Enough High Elves to field an army under her lead. These Windrunners are so impressive that it’s one thing to exile Alleria because she endangers the Sunwell. It’s another to smear her contributions and heritage with a removal of her titles and her son’s inheritances. That’s how big paragons are to the Thalassian people. If Alleria wanted she can call upon the elves to fight for her and summon an army of recruits.
Given the pressures and reality… I think Lor’themar is quite smart to be restraint and even allow Turalyon and Arator Windrunner to visit and in the case of Arator live in Silvermoon. He gets to show the rest of Quel’thelas his compassion and shrewd understanding of what were to happen should Arator be smeared and thrown out. He may leave with even more of his people. Better to keep him in his city than outside of it.
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Are you counting the Wretched and Fel Blood Elves too? I know they are similar to the Withered and Felborne
Alleria and Sylvanas might be, to quote Theron, “heroes of Silvermoon’s past” still held in some regard, but Vereesa was hardly out of her apprenticeship when the Second War kicked off. Her notable accomplishments only occurred after her split from Quel’Thalas, and the act she’s best remembered for was committed against its people.
… she denounced 90% of her people as “accursed” and spent the next decade trying to eject Silvermoon’s citizens from Dalaran. You’re out of your mind if you think that Windrunner enjoys a good reputation among the masses of Silvermoon. Even Alleria, with whom they have no such bad blood, is shunned and feared.
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suppose the question is if they will try to compress void and high elves together for representation or treat them as two factions. If they handed the silver covenant to Alleria as by all appearances they have… it makes me feel they intend to.
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Calling what Vereesa did “a trite charge” boggles my mind. She’s a traitor to her homeland. Also I wouldn’t think exiles would have a claim to any land or property left behind, would they? Her children would be irrelevant because they’d have nothing to inherit.
But this is the game game that has Aethas Sunreaver trying to buy apology gifts for Jaina so them being welcomed back sounds on-brand.
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Did you not see Telogrus Rift and the new recruits there for Alleria? How many soldiers were fielded by Vereesa in Northrend and in Pandaria? The Windrunner sisters time and again accrue recruits wherever they go. Traitors in the eyes of the state, but the Windrunner name and their history is not something to ignore. It seems wherever these two daughters of Silvermoon go they find elves who will follow them.
You may not want to exile yourself and join the Thalassian exiles, but it appears hundreds if not thousands have since left and are bolstering the populations of these two self styled ranger generals.
Hard to say. It’s been a bit of a pointless distinction ever since the void elves, er, voided high elves as an AR, especially now they boast high elf customizations and the Silver Covenant has been left headless and homeless, but if I were a high elf fan still coping hoping that Blizzard will correct the void elf mistake I’d probably want as little overlap between them as possible.
Robert d’Artois famously fled to the English court in his exile and goaded it into war with France, because there was no other way an attainted noble was going to claim the county lost to him there. I think I’d rather have played a story like that out instead of “elf unification,” but what are you gonna do.
Now that’s some stolen valor. To my knowledge, no blood elf has thus far defected to the Alliance in rockstar awe of Vereesa Windrunner, leader of Azeroth’s blood elf hate group. Alleria, maybe, but Vereesa? The level of fel-induced brainrot required for a blood elf to sign on with the Silver Covenant (???) would put the looniest void elf to shame.
One self-styled ranger-general. Brightwing hasn’t died to give Alleria his job yet; we’ll have to wait for Midnight for that sad inevitability to play out.
Your general interpretation of this race also seems off the mark to me, particularly after the dev who penned the new void elf quests described them as a fledgling “faction of misfits,” but hey, you could be right, maybe Alleria was just selectively blind to the adulation of “hundreds if not thousands” of blood elves when she took her tour of Silvermoon in A Whisper of Warning and its citizenry shunned her like a leper.
Anyway, sure, let’s try and rehabilitate the felblood elves. Hearthstone had some fun with that idea. Although they’ll need a bit of a tweak in characterization. Unlike the eredar, who while evil at least seemed lucid and lawful to a degree, the felblood elves have never not been depicted as crazy and chaotic. The san’layn were at least sane enough to eat Horde troops as a last resort.
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I hope reunification is actually just early WoW style trying to avoid 24/7 murdering each other while the big villain is around. Because I would love to see some elf fights on the side
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We ‘technically’ already have had them apart of the Horde since Burning Crusade — There’s a friendly Fel Orc who’s a general goods vendor found at the Dark Portal in the Blasted Lands, named ‘Quartermaster Dekrok’
Although due to little information upon them, it’s unclear if this means that there are fel orcs who have joined the New Horde or if their appearance is a developer mistake.
It would be cool for them to extend upon that though …
Naturally it’d be more likely to see the skin be solely tied to the original orcs & not the allied-race varient, since it’d silly to make a fel-orc a part of the Mag’har race who’re named to such as being uncorrupted by the fel.
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After remix I’m gonna be pissed if my friend the daily key elf dies for the bad elf
Nice fanfic? There were angry bitter helves in the setting back when Veressa was just Rhonin’s hot elf love interest. The Windrunner sisters didn’t manifest them, they took the lead of the ones who’d already left.
I too am down for elf fights.
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It’d be cool if we had to help an alternate reality’s Nozdormu preserve “the one true timeline” in their respective universe — and that’s to help the Amani trolls purge the elves of Quel’Thalas 
By the end, pop a satire comment like: “The timeline is preserved. The noble hero Zul’Jin has also been safeguarded in history by sustaining the ‘removal’ of those colonisers … Thankyou heroes.”
I’m talking about the BFA Void Elves who fielded the armies that sieged Lordaeron and Zandalar. Entire divisions were sent out throughout the Fourth War by Alleria Windrunner, and in Battle for Stromgarde the 7th Legion were fielded by High Elven mages. Showing that across the Alliance entire divisions were sent by Alleria and in Throne of Thunder campaign as well as in Northrend in Icecrown the High Elves under Vereesa fielded their own armies and even assisted Quel’thelas when called upon as we see in Zul’Aman.
These forces are not fanfiction just redo BFA and MoP. Also redo Northrend campaign. You’ll see High Elven forces all over those wars. If anything the greatest mystery of the Thalassians is how do they keep up with all the wars they’ve been in especially the ones on the Alliance side. After the fall of Theramore, and all the campaigns they should be depleted, but the Thalassians keep recruiting on the Void Elf side and as we see in TWW the Silver Covenant still stands even when Dalaran crashes on the isle of Dorn.
We all pretending they don’t exist?
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The fact Blizzard had to create noname NPCs for the blood elf story was their worst mistake.
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There’s a whole group sitting there in the Darkmoon Faire, ready to be recruited into the Horde.