Shadow is better in higher keys than lower ones since things actually live long enough to ramp on. Just kind of sucks on some tyran keys with a lot of pure st fights (AD is a good example of a bad one). That’s not to say you are a godsend in 23s, but typically you have a better time in like a 15 than a 10 where the outlaw rogue pops BotE and nukes the pack before you even voidform.
Ironically spriests in my guilds have been boasting some of the higher IOs, but that is typically a mentality sort of deal since our rogue doesn’t really like pushing keys that much.
Good to know. There is some good SP gear in the raid, so I’m hoping I can get to the point I am happy with the damage I deal.
No surprise. Any other healer that’s equally as geared and can play at least half decent will outheal me. Most of it ends up in overhealing. Damage is also Tier 1 garbage.
I mean I get it, maybe it makes sense in methods raid but for regular people holy priest are for the most part a good raid healer 
What do you believe would be an effective way to compare and measure it in your opinion then?
I mean it honestly depends. Is there a healer “problem”? Sure, absolutely. Especially in cooldown departments where something like revival is GENERALLY SPEAKING garbage when compared to something like Aura Mastery.
The point typically is for a majority of guilds even going for CE you can usually get by with virtually any comp. Will you have a harder time? Yes, but more often than not you overgear the last boss and it is nerfed twice before you get there to compensate.
Also, as I said earlier, healer “problems” like lower hps or whatever can largely be circumvented by better players throughout the raid. People using defensives or lock rocks or not standing in bad or whatever. Back in BoD a lot of the world first guilds like 3 healed Grong or whatever when the average guild had to use upwards of 5 to offset people not using defensives or using healing cds correctly or something.
Class tier lists, unless you are going for bleeding edge 0.1% content, are largely “whatever” since they also assume you as a player can pilot everything well. Sure someone like idk Dratnos or whatever could probably roll Fury Warrior or Outlaw or whatever to large success and actually play both well. The average player can’t. One of our healers tried rerolling HPall for like a week. It didn’t “click” with them, so despite playing the “objectively better” spec, they saw worse results. The point here is if you really enjoy something and are only doing like heroic raiding or like half clearing mythic or whatever, a purple parse on a “bad” spec will almost always beat a green/low blue parse of the best spec in the game.
I know I am ranting and rambling or whatever, but the big thing is play whatever you enjoy and if you stick with it, you are probably going to blow the FotM holy paladins or whatever out of the water and be fine. If PUGs want to disregard you or whatever for your spec, add the people that do invite you to your friend’s list or something. I play warlock so I know how long it sometimes takes to get into a key early in the season or whatever, but when I do get invited it does kind of feel good to beat garbage tier rogues or dh.
I understand and validate what you are saying, but I think you must have misunderstood me. By no means am i stopping playing my holy priest main, I’ve stated it several times on this forum. Basically stating the same thing you are staying. The player makes the class not the other way around.
It’s hard to keep up with everyone sorry. These threads come up like every other week when someone on the internet says their class is unviable dumpster tier or whatever.
The only spec in the entire game that I think actually reaches “unviable” status in the game is something like Affliction Warlock in Mythic+ and that isn’t just because I play a warlock or anything. The spec straight up does not function in that form of content after BFA removed any semblance of AoE from the spec.
Can still probably clear 15s or whatever for cache, but dear god are you going to be heavy if it isn’t a boss.
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I agree with you here, on mythic+ holy priests are probably one of the worst healers (if we aren’t just taking about direct healing) just because they don’t have as much dps (well if not any) and utility. Druids are kinda made for m+. But it’s not going to stop me from playing a h priest and pushing keys.
My priest has always been holy, it is just her thing. She has been since 40 minutes after the servers were up, just after midnight Nov 23, 2004.
I don’t care what those dudes say, since we don’t do that stuff anyway!
Didn’t disc get some nerf recently too? Is that what that was about?
Nah, Orgo was the last big healing check. The others were just cooldown scheduling with plenty of slip room on the big nukes as long as you’re throwing something. There might be something to be said for Disc/hpal dps cutting the difference, but Zaqul was honestly more about delirium guys.
As for how clearly sucky holy priests are, I just looked at my guild’s logs for their Heroic run this week, and our hpriest is regularly throwing out 80-100k HPS, so…yeah.
Expect to see disc/hpal represent more in the Mythic race because the race happens below the raid’s farm ilvl – they need all the reduc and DPS they can get. EP was unusually consistent with how brutal every single difficult boss was with both of those, and how wildly the healing requirements would often drop off outside of one key phase. Later in the tier though, you pick up a bit of breathing room on those fronts, and it becomes more helpful over time to have a healer who can just spit massive numbers – if for no other reason than to give the disc, hpals, and totally-not-ele-rshams more time to do DPS. It’s usually hpriest and rsham who pull that off (and if you check the Heroic logs right now, that’s exactly what’s happening). Glimmerdin was…unusually busted on account of eating both cakes in a way that isn’t normal.
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Mob control is nice. The reason they are considered lower in the pack this time around is potential trouble handling an element of the seasonal affix as far as mitigation goes and also because they’re one of the lowest dps tanks.
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Holy priest main here, pushed to CE last tier with multiple azshara kills with guild.
Holy priest is actually a really strong raid healer for both mythic and heroic, but method is correct that it would be a much less desirable spec for hardcore raiders because we have almost 0 utility/dr/dps. Holy deals with continuous/rot damage mechanics well due to how echo works, but sucks at healing frequent or periodic damage bursts, especially when compared to disc and hpal which can also use damage reduction. It doesnt help that most high end raid encounters are structured more around being dps checks than heal checks. That said, holy is actually good, even strong, for any semi hardcore guild or casual guild (like anything below world 200) because we are consistent, reliable, high hps, and flexible healers, but you would never want more than 1 on your primary roster. Moreover we are really mana efficient and dont need innervates to pull healing so the innervates can go to your needier cohealers.
For m+ on the other hand, priest actually is literal trash. If you want to push m+ as opposed to raiding just reroll.
Honestly it doesnt help that shadow is a complete wheelchair spec for world content and m+ as well. Not a great time to be a priest imo. Try soloing a vision as preist, youll wish you hadnt.
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You know I see these Method threads and have come to the conclusion is might be better to not care what Method thinks or does.
You should have jumped ship in Legion. The entire priest class has been handled horribly ever since and it’s not worth bothering.
People will still discriminate against you on lower levels of content. A guild that only does AOTC is not going to pick a holy priest over most other healing specs if they have the choice.
Yea why would anyone listen to the opinions of the best players in the world? You might not care but some people actually want to play well and at a high level. Listening to better players than yourself is a good way to make that happen.
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