Right. They were going faster because they were in a competitive in-game race to see who could beat a boss the fastest. That’s the problem.
No, but it was the fastest. And this was a competition about who could beat Jaina the fastest.
We both need to get a life at this point. I’m outta here. Peace dude.
Seeya ^w^
Last i checked our racials got nerfed. Arcane Torrent used to silence now it doesn’t
Nerfing doesn’t automatically mean balance.
AOE racials, in particular, are impossible to balance. The problem is that if they’re balanced for 3v3, which they are, then they’re way too powerful in 40v40. If an AOE racial were balanced for 40v40, it would be useless in 3v3.
What should have happened was that Arcane Torrent should have been made single target instead of leaving it AOE but having the effect on each target nerfed.
You’re talking about an advantage that separates Method from Limit… So something that effectively effects around 50 people in the entire game… Let’s not blow this out of proportion.
Now, I’m just waiting for the Alliance top 10 spots to get sold for gold.
Since we know that Method and Limit can make enough gold to faction transfer their entire guild over with mythic carries, once they get Jaina on farm enough to carry a few people they can transfer and charge triple or more than they usually do for top-10 spots.
Honestly, I want them to do it just so that someone can demonstrate how stupid separate leaderboards are, and how badly the factions are balanced right now.
I’ll give them bonus points if they can successfully rick roll the alliance leaderboard with guild names.
method had mind alertness drugs (redbull) ofcourse they won they cheated. ![:joy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
It didn’t separate them. Both Method and Limit race changed all classes that could be trolls into trolls as I understand it.
Using the cash shop to work around a gameplay challenge is bad for the game, regardless of how few or many people do it. It’s textbook P2W.
Ok… then it affected Method and Limit… You’re talking about such a minor increase in a specific output affecting such a tiny proportion of the population. That hardly warrants the negative connotations of “P2W.”
Personally, I’d rather we have varied racials giving the choice of which race to play some meaning and weight, and the ability to change races for those who enjoy trying different aesthetics. I’d rather have those benefits at the expense of such extreme min/maxing.
Personally, I’m much more displeased with the effects forced PL and WF/TF have had on the prep phase.
He’s absolutely not treating it like it’s an insidious thing that not everyone has access to. You’re twisting his argument.
Pay to win does not mean only a select few can use an advantage gained by spending more money. It means, that a competitive advantage can be gained by spending more money.
Ya, but there’s shades of grey here though… When people refer to P2W, they’re typically inferring the connotation of the games that allow you to jump massive amounts of power by paying money. While you could fit this under the technical definition of P2W, the increase in power is so slight that it hardly warrants mentioning. Heck, at that point, I’d say Limit swapping to alliance and then back to horde is at some level P2W.
Long story short, I’d rather we simply accept this tiny advantage that really only affects a tiny portion of the population, than impose stringent rule sets on everyone for perfect balance.
And yet, the top two guilds in the world crunched the numbers and thought it important enough of an edge to do it to every applicable toon that they could.
As for your Limit faction-swap analogy… I absolutely think that was P2W as well. They spent somebody’s money to get access to high-level gear they otherwise would not have.
You can keep arguing that the impact of racials is minor, but isn’t the alternative (not having competitive gameplay-impacting racials) a better, more fair solution? Just shut racials down for rated pvp, M+, and mythic raiding. You can keep them in the more recreational game modes for flavor if you want, but all the cash shop gamesmanship that went on this tier really cast a shadow over what was otherwise a really entertaining competition. And that’s a shame.
That’s basically how I feel about it as well. If you’re sponsored it basically gives you such an advantage over the average guild is it really even a contest? I’m always amazed at how many people get all gushy over somebody who doesn’t really work for a living playing a video game, like it’s an actual sport… lol
No. I enjoy having racials be impactful to our game play. I enjoy retaining SOME level of RPG in the mmoRPG. I have no desire to impose stricter rulesets just so you can get the feeling of it being slightly more “fair” at the tippy top.
As for the limit character swap, I think AOO rewards was ludicrous and Blizzard agreed, so they nerfed it. I think the removal of ML to stop splits was also a terrible decision.
Finally, if you want it to actually be fair. Then ask for a tournament realm where gear can be selected, everyone has access to the raid, and everyone has access to every race. THAT is the only way for this race to actually be considered “fair.” But I doubt many would be interested in that.
Just to touch up on this – Yes, however, most WF races, the #2 guild has been EXTREMELY close to beating it too. Sometimes your best pull needs better than average RNG, and most of the time, it’s a few tiny misplays that end up costing them the kill.
(Blackhand had 500k health by Paragon, 2 days before BH died for WF)
I think that would be a great idea.
That’s a pretty good list but it has our date wrong. It says 12/6/2016 instead of the actual date 11/19/2016.
Our original guild is long gone but there is a nice video of our Naxx clear on Youtube.
Method cleared it twice before Limit even finished once though
But how precisely is it un-fair? Like what advantage did horde have over alliance that Limit transferred back for THIS raid? Every racial mechanic was identical, so that just can’t be it…
I mean it can’t possibly be “user preference” pure and simple, right? Not possible.
Racials don’t matter.
The top 1% of the top 1%, it matters because they can actually make use of the slight differences. But for the rest of the entire playerbase, it makes no real difference. If anyone disagrees it doesn’t matter, then I implore you to sim the differences between the top horde racial traits.